Canada bans 1500 kinds of military style weapons.

eider

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Well, there probably are still some nutters who support that but in fairness, common sense prevailed overall in that thread as most people in it pointed out the obvious. That there would be no sane reason for it.

OK.....good.
When I read people boasting that missiles will be stopped well before they can arrive, this worries me as well. It suggests that they might be feeling safe enough to risk chucking something at somebody else. Safest for all is that everybody holds a feeling of 'we will get it back..... lot's of it'.
 

Gary K

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I sometimes actually wonder about socialist's ability to think. Notice the title of this thread. It says "military style" weapons. As if a "military style" weapon is any more or less lethal than a non-military style weapon. The "style" of a weapon to a socialist seems to make it much more scary than another style of weapon. I guess it's that the word "military" just freaks out snowflakes. Unless, of course, the "military style" banning is just a step in the direction which they want to move and adds a very slight plausibility to their arguments. Either way it's just totalitarianism at heart.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Safest for all is that everybody holds a feeling of 'we will get it back..... lot's of it'.


Mutually Assured Cowering? :chuckle:

baaaaaa, little sheeple

Hide under your bed.

The big bad United States will keep you safe from the boogeyman.
 

eider

Well-known member
I sometimes actually wonder about socialist's ability to think. Notice the title of this thread. It says "military style" weapons. As if a "military style" weapon is any more or less lethal than a non-military style weapon. The "style" of a weapon to a socialist seems to make it much more scary than another style of weapon. I guess it's that the word "military" just freaks out snowflakes. Unless, of course, the "military style" banning is just a step in the direction which they want to move and adds a very slight plausibility to their arguments. Either way it's just totalitarianism at heart.

Wake up......
Canada has banned fast fire guns and guns with military appearance ...
The reason why military style guns have been banned is because no civilian guns in Canada need be military style.
But dreamers like you can still buy tough looking guns to feef your me-tough dreams, as close to heroism as you're likely to get, I reckon.
 

eider

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Mutually Assured Cowering? :chuckle:

baaaaaa, little sheeple

Hide under your bed.

The big bad United States will keep you safe from the boogeyman.

No!
Not for now you won't.
For now we stand alone, like we did '38-'41.

True heart doesn't shoot off at the mouth like you. I'll bet that you lack moral fibre. That's my guess.

And you looked very silly with your 'i shoot critters at maximum range' . What a total liability!

I bet you don't carry public liability insurance for your gun either. Bet yet!
 

Arthur Brain

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I sometimes actually wonder about socialist's ability to think. Notice the title of this thread. It says "military style" weapons. As if a "military style" weapon is any more or less lethal than a non-military style weapon. The "style" of a weapon to a socialist seems to make it much more scary than another style of weapon. I guess it's that the word "military" just freaks out snowflakes. Unless, of course, the "military style" banning is just a step in the direction which they want to move and adds a very slight plausibility to their arguments. Either way it's just totalitarianism at heart.

What's more lethal in overall death tangents between a person armed with an automatic rifle or a handgun if they go on a rampage?
 

Arthur Brain

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Wake up......
Canada has banned fast fire guns and guns with military appearance ...
The reason why military style guns have been banned is because no civilian guns in Canada need be military style.
But dreamers like you can still buy tough looking guns to feef your me-tough dreams, as close to heroism as you're likely to get, I reckon.

As it should be, for the safety of people which should be of paramount importance.
 

eider

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As it should be, for the safety of people which should be of paramount importance.

I haven't read through the list of 1500 gun types banned in Canada, but with any luck fast-fire semi-aitomatic and automatic pistols will be included somewhere.

The last time I went to Bisley ranges (England) I was looking around and came upon a group shooting pistols. All pistols have been banned in Great Britain (not NI). A man noticed my interest and came to meet me. They were shooting the old percussion revolvers, each chamber has to be loaded with powder, wad and shot, and a percussion cap placed upon a nipple which the pistol's hammer will hit, ignite and so fire that chamber. It takes so long to load these guns that they were excluded from the 'total pistol ban' .together with one other unusual type. The reason why I'm telling you all this is because I mentioned these guns to a bunch of US gunners and asked them...... surely there is more to being competent with these percussion revolvers than owning a fast fire pistol with all the bells and whistles? A man from Michigan answered 'Yes'. And not only does he shoot competition with percussion revolvers (called cap and ball) but he also shoots with an 18th century muzzle loading rifle. He hunts with neither type of gun, uses the bow for hunting. This man was/is one of the most interesting and wise shots I ever discussed with and if a ban on fast-fire guns should ever be legislated for in the US his world would not be changed at all. I have always found that the finest shots and gun followers in the US were like this man, and although many shoot with modern guns none of them need to beef up their egos by parading with military style guns looking like quasi-heroes.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
I've never really understood why any civilian would want or need an assault rifle or fast fire gun...
Eider,

I chose to go back to an earlier post itt of yours to address something that in order to proceed profitably imo we should confront.

To understand "why any civilian would . . . need an assault rifle or fast fire gun", we need to come at it from the perspective of the right to bear arms.

Firstly we must establish whether or not such a right exists. Do you believe that people possess a native right to bear arms?

If so, then it's important to note that "assault rifles" and "fast fire guns" are better guns, and (in your parlance) "slow fire guns" are worse. All other things being equal, it's always better to have "fast fire" guns rather than "slow fire" guns. Along with the relative destruction that each single round from a gun imparts upon its target, is this measure of how fast it can fire another round. Taken together, these two metrics help to characterize the nature of the gun, and all other things being equal, a "faster firing" gun, with rounds that are more destructive, is better than a slower firing gun that fires less destructive rounds.

So if there is a native right to bear arms, then it is a right to bear faster firing and more destructive guns, and not a right to bear slower firing and less destructive ordnance guns. In fact to make laws that force people to only bear slower firing and less destructive guns is to make laws censoring or infringing that right.

I've introduced already the liberal idea that our rights are moral in nature, and that what this means is that to censor or infringe our rights is specifically immoral. iow to possess moral rights doesn't render your exercise of them moral, but instead it renders anyone else's invasion or denial of them immoral.

And if a government or law enforcement invades or denies our moral rights, then in so doing government or law enforcement disqualified themselves as a moral manifestation of we the people. Instead if government or law enforcement does this, they are being immoral, and if we are liberals then we also will say that they are criminal, because they are breaking the laws that liberalism believes are as native to mankind as are our native rights.

Whether or not these laws are written down and enforced, liberalism requires them, because along with being moral, liberalism is also legal in nature, it tells us what laws to make and judges laws according to itself, that is, liberalism is the standard against which we judge the justness of laws. Liberal laws are legal because they are moral, that is the connection between liberalism as a moral theory, and liberalism as a legal theory.

So, that all is where we are coming from, those of us who disagree with Canada and with New Zealand and England, and even with America where it has made laws limiting the availability of faster firing and more destructive guns. We see this all as profoundly immoral. Also in the US, there is the added negative that we are flagrantly disobeying our own Constitution.

But, what if the right to bear arms isn't real? What if it's made up? What if that was never correct, in centuries past, going all the way back to even the Roman era, back when Roman citizens were permitted to go about armed, what if it was always fictional that people possess a native right to bear arms? I think that if this is the case, then what Canada is doing is too slow, and that New Zealand and England are resting on their laurels, and that America is truly bordering on anarchy to permit us to own and carry weapons of war. If there is no right to bear arms then we should all instead be more like Japan or Taiwan or some other extremely restrictive country wrt civilian gun ownership.

And while it's possible that the right way through this is to leave it to democratic elections to determine whether or not this right is real, I rather think that it is theory that must guide us here, and not a simple majority, where most people think that severe restrictions on guns is good. If this ancient right to bear arms is fictional, then we ought to have a theory that explains how and why, not a popularity contest, because if we are wrong, and the right is real and inborn, then we are making a severe error in treating it as if it's imaginary.
 

eider

Well-known member
Eider,

I chose to go back to an earlier post itt of yours to address something that in order to proceed profitably imo we should confront.

To understand "why any civilian would . . . need an assault rifle or fast fire gun", we need to come at it from the perspective of the right to bear arms.

Firstly we must establish whether or not such a right exists. Do you believe that people possess a native right to bear arms?

If so, then it's important to note that "assault rifles" and "fast fire guns" are better guns, and (in your parlance) "slow fire guns" are worse. All other things being equal, it's always better to have "fast fire" guns rather than "slow fire" guns. Along with the relative destruction that each single round from a gun imparts upon its target, is this measure of how fast it can fire another round. Taken together, these two metrics help to characterize the nature of the gun, and all other things being equal, a "faster firing" gun, with rounds that are more destructive, is better than a slower firing gun that fires less destructive rounds.

So if there is a native right to bear arms, then it is a right to bear faster firing and more destructive guns, and not a right to bear slower firing and less destructive ordnance guns. In fact to make laws that force people to only bear slower firing and less destructive guns is to make laws censoring or infringing that right.

I've introduced already the liberal idea that our rights are moral in nature, and that what this means is that to censor or infringe our rights is specifically immoral. iow to possess moral rights doesn't render your exercise of them moral, but instead it renders anyone else's invasion or denial of them immoral.

And if a government or law enforcement invades or denies our moral rights, then in so doing government or law enforcement disqualified themselves as a moral manifestation of we the people. Instead if government or law enforcement does this, they are being immoral, and if we are liberals then we also will say that they are criminal, because they are breaking the laws that liberalism believes are as native to mankind as are our native rights.

Whether or not these laws are written down and enforced, liberalism requires them, because along with being moral, liberalism is also legal in nature, it tells us what laws to make and judges laws according to itself, that is, liberalism is the standard against which we judge the justness of laws. Liberal laws are legal because they are moral, that is the connection between liberalism as a moral theory, and liberalism as a legal theory.

So, that all is where we are coming from, those of us who disagree with Canada and with New Zealand and England, and even with America where it has made laws limiting the availability of faster firing and more destructive guns. We see this all as profoundly immoral. Also in the US, there is the added negative that we are flagrantly disobeying our own Constitution.

But, what if the right to bear arms isn't real? What if it's made up? What if that was never correct, in centuries past, going all the way back to even the Roman era, back when Roman citizens were permitted to go about armed, what if it was always fictional that people possess a native right to bear arms? I think that if this is the case, then what Canada is doing is too slow, and that New Zealand and England are resting on their laurels, and that America is truly bordering on anarchy to permit us to own and carry weapons of war. If there is no right to bear arms then we should all instead be more like Japan or Taiwan or some other extremely restrictive country wrt civilian gun ownership.

And while it's possible that the right way through this is to leave it to democratic elections to determine whether or not this right is real, I rather think that it is theory that must guide us here, and not a simple majority, where most people think that severe restrictions on guns is good. If this ancient right to bear arms is fictional, then we ought to have a theory that explains how and why, not a popularity contest, because if we are wrong, and the right is real and inborn, then we are making a severe error in treating it as if it's imaginary.

Hello again.... :)
Question....
Are you enrolled in to a recognised militia service?
 

eider

Well-known member
In the US law defines the militia as basically all able-bodied people. We don't have to "enroll". And I am able-bodied.

So if you are aged between 17yrs and 45yrs, not being in one of the positions or employments below, you can be called up for Militia or National service. Do you ever report for any military training?

This from wiki:-
All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the reserve or unorganized militia (10 USC). Able bodied men who are not eligible for inclusion in the reserve militia pool are those aliens not having declared their intent to become citizens of the United States (10 USC 246) and former regular component veterans of the armed forces who have reached the age of 64 (32 USC 313). All female citizens who are members of National Guard units are also included in the reserve militia pool (10 U.S.C. § 246).

Other persons who are exempt from call to duty (10 U.S.C. § 247) and are not therefore in the reserve militia pool include:
  • The Vice President (also constitutionally the President of the Senate, that body which confirms the appointment of senior armed forces officers made by the Commander in Chief).
  • The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States and Territories, and Puerto Rico.
  • Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty.
  • Customhouse clerks.
  • Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail.
  • Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States.
  • Pilots on navigable waters.
  • Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States.
 
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