Brian Rohrbough's CBS Appearance Gets Huge Response

[SUTG]

Did Klebold and Harris kill their victims with transitional fossils..? I

Impossible! Transitional fossils don't exist! :chuckle:

On a serious note, saying that the theory of Evolution was responsible for the killings is about as silly as one can get.

This guy is like another Cindy Sheehan, using his son's death as a soapbox for trumpeting his ideology.

 

[Servo]

The link shows Bill O'Reilly talk about the liberal bias at CBS but it does not contain his interview with Brian. Does anyone have that link or a transcript of thier interview?

The link to the video is on the right side of the screen and down a little.

"Father Under Fire!", Brian's segment, is linked right below that.

 

[Jefferson]

The link to the video is on the right side of the screen and down a little.

"Father Under Fire!", Brian's segment, is linked right below that.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[Johnny]

Assuming for a second that they did use evolution as the basis for their attacks: who cares? The Bible has been the basis for countless murders.

Why is this such a big deal to pin it on evolution? Are we going to start blaming everything that's ever been used as the "basis" of murder?

 

[Jefferson]

Assuming for a second that they did use evolution as the basis for their attacks: who cares? The Bible has been the basis for countless murders.

Why is this such a big deal to pin it on evolution? Are we going to start blaming everything that's ever been used as the "basis" of murder?

The huge difference is that a misapplication of the Bible has been the basis for murders whereas a correct view of evolution has been the basis for murders.

 

[Granite]

Assuming for a second that they did use evolution as the basis for their attacks: who cares? The Bible has been the basis for countless murders.

Why is this such a big deal to pin it on evolution? Are we going to start blaming everything that's ever been used as the "basis" of murder?

No kidding. Saying that Klebold and Harris were twisted, murderous souls with disinterested and distant parents would sting a little, wouldn't it. Pinning it anything else--evolution, rock and roll; whatever--at least brings closure. People want this to make sense when it's simply senseless.

 

[Johnny]

The huge difference is that a misapplication of the Bible has been the basis for murders whereas a correct view of evolution has been the basis for murders.

Oh give me a break. You have to turn your brain completely off to arrive at this conclusion. Evolutionary theory in no way justifies any murder--it is a scientific theory which does not render judgement on issues of human morality. Observations about the natural world do not include morality statements as to whether or not the actions and principles observed are right or wrong. Indeed an atheistic or agnostic evolutionist will argue that morality is even a product of evolution. So in what twisted way can you conclude that evolution justifies murders?

 

[Jefferson]

From Brian Rohrbaugh's interview:

"In the basement videos that Klebold and Harris made (the videos I've been fighting 6 years to get released), they said the reason they were doing this is because of evolution. It's time to kill off the weak and evolution gives them the right, even the obligation, to do so. They are the ones who brought evolution into this and Eric Harris was wearing a t-shirt that said, "Natural Selection" on it."

 

[SUTG]

Interesting O'Reilly clip. Even Bill said that they "perverted the evolutionary concept to their own murderous means."

My favprite part was when he said people were trying to say that Mr. Rohrbough was a nut who believed in Adam and Eve, and then Rohrbough said that he did believe in Adam and Eve! Oops, Bill, a little egg on the face, eh?

I think this "evolution caused the murder" idea is the last dying breath of the ID movement...

Rohrbough seems to actually be making the argument that we shouldn't teach evolution in schools, even if it is true, because it causes murders. If this is the case, why not teach other falsehoods that might prevent murder? Why not teach that Santa Claus is real? After all "He knows when you've been sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been naughty of nice, so don't orchestrate a Columbine style school massacre."

 

[SUTG]

From Brian Rohrbaugh's interview:

"In the basement videos that Klebold and Harris made (the videos I've been fighting 6 years to get released), they said the reason they were doing this is because of evolution. It's time to kill off the weak and evolution gives them the right, even the obligation, to do so. They are the ones who brought evolution into this and Eric Harris was wearing a t-shirt that said, "Natural Selection" on it."

I heard that part. What conclusions do you draw from it?

 

[Johnny]

It's time to kill off the weak and evolution gives them the right, even the obligation, to do so.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. This is downright idiotic--and please note that I use that term with strong emphasis. Evolution does not give the right nor obligation to kill the weak! What part of the theory says that? Evolution isn't even the killing off of the weak. No part of natural selection requires active intervention of the populations on which it acts.

Only a blatant misapplication and misunderstanding of the theory will allow you to arrive at this conclusion. Its stupid. And if they used this to justify their actions then they were wrong.

 

[Granite]

As though trotting out two misguided psychopathic teenagers as poster children for what's wrong with evolution makes any sense whatsoever...

 

[Jukia]

See Granite #26

 

[Toast]

You guys dont see how evolution can undermine morality? I think I do.

if your an athiest/evolutionist, you dont believe a righteous God exists who punishes people for harmful behavior, so you'll be more inclined to do what feels right to you (aka relative morality). So if your Hitler, and you enjoy killing Jews, and you have the ability to, who's to say he's wrong, esp. since in your view a God does not exist, and once Hitler dies, there is no punishment for his actions? If people are just a different kind of animal, why shouldnt they act like animals if it makes them feel good? You guys(athiest/evolutionist) have no basis for moral absolutes.

 

[DEVO]

As though trotting out two misguided psychopathic teenagers as poster children for what's wrong with evolution makes any sense whatsoever...

When people are taught they are animals, they act like animals.

 

[Johnny]

if your an athiest/evolutionist, you dont believe a righteous God exists who punishes people for harmful behavior, so you'll be more inclined to do what feels right to you (aka relative morality). So if your Hitler, and you enjoy killing Jews, and you have the ability to, who's to say he's wrong, esp. since in your view a God does not exist, and once Hitler dies, there is no punishment for his actions? If people are just a different kind of animal, why shouldnt they act like animals if it makes them feel good? You guys(athiest/evolutionist) have no basis for moral absolutes.

What does atheism have to do with evolution? It is true that most atheists are evolutionists, but you draw your conclusions completely from atheism, and not from the theory of evolution. You stuck some glue on evoltution and made it ride along on an atheism rant.

When people are taught they are animals, they act like animals.

People act like animals whether they're taught they're gods, servants, or animals. People act like animals because, well, we are. It really doesn't matter what you tell them they are, they'll still act like animals.

 

[CRASH]

What does atheism have to do with evolution? It is true that most atheists are evolutionists, but you draw your conclusions completely from atheism, and not from the theory of evolution. You stuck some glue on evoltution and made it ride along on an atheism rant.

People act like animals whether they're taught they're gods, servants, or animals. People act like animals because, well, we are. It really doesn't matter what you tell them they are, they'll still act like animals.

People are special, created in God's image. We are not just another animal.
Evolution says we are. That we are an accident not a specially created being.
So if you are just an animal, why not act like one and kill another person (animal?)
The strong kill the weak. Natural selection.

 

[Johnny]

So if you are just an animal, why not act like one and kill another person (animal?)

My point was that you can tell people whatever you want and they still act like animals. You will also find most atheist evolutionists still adhere to a moral code because social contracts are what ultimately ensures preservation of self.

The strong kill the weak. Natural selection.

No, the "strong" reproduce with more success than the weak. That's natural selection.

 

[Jefferson]

I heard that part. What conclusions do you draw from it?

The fact that they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent the public from seeing the video absolutely SCREAMS that the video could cause a national public backlash against teaching evolution in the schools. If all it is, is just a simple video made by a couple of know nothing kids with a warped view of evolution, then why not just let the public see it?

 

[Jukia]

Lordy, Lordy, but you fundys are so frightened of evolution. The question is not whether the teaching of evolution turns people into animals but whether the theory of evolution is the best explanation for the biological world we see around us. It is. In some cases to think otherwise simply shows ignorance. In other cases to think otherwise simply shows how frightened some people are when their long held "beliefs" are threatened by the facts.