You're not the only one I am responding to, GT.
Those verses you paraded have NOTHING to do with your claim of being able to do SOMETHING while NOT in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING while NOT in Him. Address what Christ Himself said.
Are people born in Christ or born in sin?
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Those verses you paraded have NOTHING to do with your claim of being able to do SOMETHING while NOT in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING while NOT in Him. Address what Christ Himself said.
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You are a hardcore Calvinist?
Okay then, tell me about this:
Malachi 3:16-17
16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.
17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Sorry, No. Calvin believed like you do that people are born in sin. I don't.
So, how were you able to do SOMETHING while NOT in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING when NOT in Him, GT?
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Sorry but it is sin to not be in Christ. EVERYONE must be taught about God to know God and be saved.
I gave MANY scriptures that prove we must be taught, persuaded, and convinced.
As for you saying how were you able to do something while not in Christ, Jesus said that to warn people not to leave him.
Now you give scripture that says NO ONE can believe and obey Jesus unless they are already saved.
Give that scripture now, or consider that you are wrong and have believed the false teachings of Calvinists.
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No such thing as being saved before we are saved; and that is what Samie teaches. It is Calvinism.
The issue is how you were in Christ in the first place because you teach that people are born in sin, and therefore born NOT in Christ because sin separates man from God.
So again, how were you able to do SOMETHING - believe, hear, accept, repent - while yet NOT in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING when NOT in Him? How GT? How?
It's who is a follower of Calvin. You believe in what he taught that people are born in sin, instead of believing Christ Who said apart from Him man can do NOTHING.
You and Calvin both believe that man can do SOMETHING - hear, believe, repent, accept - while NOT in Christ.
It's you who is more of a Calvinist. I'm NOT.
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No, Calvinists teach that only those who are predestined to be saved can be saved.
You preach that. You say you must be born a sheep.
No one is born a sheep; no one is born saved.
Yep, Jesus was just like us in all aspects.
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What don't you get that NO ONE is born just knowing God.
What don't you get that all are CONDEMNED until they come to God through Jesus?
No. You're hallucinating because you're severely confused?
No. That's your words, not mine.
Yeah, we're born humans.
You're wrong. Being born in Christ, we are born saved.
You teach the opposite of what Christ taught. He said you can do NOTHING, you insist you can do SOMETHING.
Not true. The Most High is our Father.
We are not born of our Brother.
We have the same Father Jesus had.
"Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father, but go to My brethren and say to them I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
You don't know what Scriptures say:
KJV Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Get what? Your doctrines? I don't pick up garbage doctrines.
We are born NOT lost, as Jesus expounded in the parables of the lost sheep, lost coin and lost son.
Before the sheep got lost, it was in the sheepfold cared for by it shepherd;
Before the coin was lost, it was with its owner.
Before the son went lost, he was at home with his father.
So with us. We start life NOT lost. And to be NOT lost is to be in Christ.
Who said we are? Are you hallucinating, too?
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All are in need of learning about Christ. No one is born knowing.
No matter how much you try to twist it.
Of course.
Your problem, GT, is you claim you can obey while yet NOT in Christ.
You can only do things when first ALIVE, spiritually alive. And when NOT in Christ Who is our life (Col 3:4), you're dead, spiritually dead. Can you obey while yet dead?
And that's the problem when you believe Augustine's doctrine instead of believing Christ's doctrine.
Who says so?
It's your claim that gives you trouble, that while NOT in Christ you can do SOMETHING - you can do the act of KNOWING - when Christ Himself said you can do NOTHING.
Coming out of the womb, a child breathes, not to be alive, but because he already is. But you teach the opposite. You teach that a child comes out dead and it has to breathe to be alive.
So don't twist it. You're twisting it that's why you end up with a twisted doctrine you want me to pick up.
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God does not put disobedient unbelievers in Him.
What do you think that scripture means?
I only believe God's Truth.
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No one is born knowing God. I gave you scripture about how we have to be taught, persuaded, and convinced.
Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.