All the Feasts are fulfilled? That's Full Preterism!

Drake Shelton · Nov 2, 2015

The sabbath, the harvest feasts and the feast of trumpets are shadows of the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming. If you say all these sabbaths are fulfilled and therefore done away with, you have to believe in Full Preterism, that the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming have already happened.

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iouae · Nov 2, 2015

Jesus kept them, and commanded His saints to wait in Jerusalem for Pentecost. So the church was keeping feasts after Christ's death.

A good rule is that if Christ keeps some thing, and tells about Him keeping something in the NT, it might be a hint for us to be followers of Him in that.

JonahofAkron · Nov 2, 2015

iouae said:
Jesus kept them, and commanded His saints to wait in Jerusalem for Pentecost. So the church was keeping feasts after Christ's death.

A good rule is that if Christ keeps some thing, and tells about Him keeping something in the NT, it might be a hint for us to be followers of Him in that.

Excellent point.

bybee · Nov 2, 2015

Drake Shelton said:
The sabbath, the harvest feasts and the feast of trumpets are shadows of the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming. If you say all these sabbaths are fulfilled and therefore done away with, you have to believe in Full Preterism, that the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming have already happened.

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I could be wrong and am open to proof but, it doesn't seem to me that this is the case. We appear to be in a state of expectancy for the "eschaton"?

HisServant · Nov 2, 2015

Drake Shelton said:
The sabbath, the harvest feasts and the feast of trumpets are shadows of the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming. If you say all these sabbaths are fulfilled and therefore done away with, you have to believe in Full Preterism, that the final state, the Resurrection, the judgment and the 2nd coming have already happened.

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Jews.. even messanic ones are scared to death of Preterism... because it nullifies their entire religion and their false hope of clinging onto Jews being the 'chosen ones'.

Abraham was given the promise... the Jews were given a task, at which they failed miserably at each and every step... and the purpose of that task is no longer relevant (to point to the coming messiah).

It's over for the Jews... finished... done... you can stick a fork in them.

patrick jane · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
Jews.. even messanic ones are scared to death of Preterism... because it nullifies their entire religion and their false hope of clinging onto Jews being the 'chosen ones'.

Abraham was given the promise... the Jews were given a task, at which they failed miserably at each and every step... and the purpose of that task is no longer relevant (to point to the coming messiah).

It's over for the Jews... finished... done... you can stick a fork in them.

They didn't get the memo

bybee · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
Jews.. even messanic ones are scared to death of Preterism... because it nullifies their entire religion and their false hope of clinging onto Jews being the 'chosen ones'.

Abraham was given the promise... the Jews were given a task, at which they failed miserably at each and every step... and the purpose of that task is no longer relevant (to point to the coming messiah).

It's over for the Jews... finished... done... you can stick a fork in them.

The Nazi's fried up about 6,000,000 0f them ... men, women children, babies, slaughtered, gassed, shot, burned, used for hideous medical experiments.

HisServant · Nov 2, 2015

bybee said:
The Nazi's fried up about 6,000,000 0f them ... men, women children, babies, slaughtered, gassed, shot, burned, used for hideous medical experiments.

So... there have also been other ethnic groups subjected to the same ordeal.. like the Armenians in Turkey.. Stalin killed more ethnic groups in Russia than Hitler killed Jews, etc.

steko · Nov 2, 2015

Yet, to occur:

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle....
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations.....
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

HisServant · Nov 2, 2015

steko said:
Yet, to occur:

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle....
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations.....
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

That is the old testament... if you believe it is future, then you have to come to the conclusion that Jesus was a failure.

SaulToPaul 2 · Nov 2, 2015

steko said:
Yet, to occur:

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle....
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations.....
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

It hasn't, but it will.

:up:

steko · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
That is the old testament... if you believe it is future, then you have to come to the conclusion that Jesus was a failure.

Yes, it's OT prophecy and if you believe it won't happen, then you have come to the conclusion that Jesus will fail.

musterion · Nov 2, 2015

steko said:
Yet, to occur:

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle....
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations.....
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Tet says that can't be taken literally.

Darby dood it.

steko · Nov 2, 2015

musterion said:
Tet says that can't be taken literally.

Darby dood it.

Yeah, just shoves it in the metaphorical drawer and forgets it.

genuineoriginal · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
That is the old testament... if you believe it is future, then you have to come to the conclusion that Jesus was a failure.

We can be like you and think Jesus is a failure, or we can come to the conclusion that it is your understanding of scripture that is a failure.

bybee · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
So... there have also been other ethnic groups subjected to the same ordeal.. like the Armenians in Turkey.. Stalin killed more ethnic groups in Russia than Hitler killed Jews, etc.

And all hideous beyond words.

musterion · Nov 2, 2015

steko said:
Yeah, just shoves it in the metaphorical drawer and forgets it.

Neo-Augustinians will do that.

steko · Nov 2, 2015

I challenge anyone to show me a legitimate photograph of the Mt of Olives split in half with a valley running through the middle of it from east to west.

HisServant · Nov 2, 2015

steko said:
I challenge anyone to show me a legitimate photograph of the Mt of Olives split in half with a valley running through the middle of it from east to west.

I challenge you to research what that verse would have meant to a first century Jew.

steko · Nov 2, 2015

HisServant said:
I challenge you to research what that verse would have meant to a first century Jew.

Literal, like this?

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.
Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

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