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Newton's Universal Gravity equations are mathematical but the math came from hard science. That's the difference. Newton did not BEGIN with math but rather with careful observation of the real world. The data he collected yeilded the math. The math then is just a formal description of what...

They're more than speculation but little more than mathematical constructs. I'm not even saying that they are wrong. Some important aspects of them are clearly correct and have proven very useful in the development of all kinds of technologies. But that doesn't make them hard science. In fact...

As stated - No, I do not know that. Newton made no attempt to describe the nature of gravity, only how it works. Einstein is the one who made statements about what gravity is (i.e. what causes it). And in many ways, Einstein's work provides a more useful and accurate way of figuring out just...

Dave, I've listened to all and responded directly to most of the arguments that have been presented in support of the flat earth model, including arguments made on other sites that I haven't yet seen in any of the videos you've posted. It is not fair to treat me as if I'm just cavalierly...

You're just simply wrong on this point, Dave. Newton didn't just pull the idea of universal gravitation out of a hat. What Newton did was to ask a question. Why do things fall to the ground? He then set about making detailed observations about just how things fall. The rate at which they...

You'd be shocked to find out just how connected they all are. Calling major theories "faith-based" is likely overstating the matter. I'll grant you that but a great many major theories, or at least large portions of them, are not hard science and haven't been for decades. Space-time as an...

I hate to tell you that modern physics is not the hard science that your post makes it out to be. It's evolved into some weird hybrid of mathematics and thought experiments. String Theory, in particular, is entirely untestable. And I mean conceptually, fundamentally, untestable. It not only...

:up: Some arguments are just so transparently false and fraudulent that they really are a waste of time and even insulting. I'm over it. Why presuppose that it's about anything other than that some people see conspiracies behind every broken toaster and have no ability to think past their own...

Whether his own or the man's with whom he is speaking.

The problem with this idea is that the Sun supposedly goes in this circle every single day, right? Or are they (you) suggesting that there is another circle, an annual circle, superimposed upon the daily circle that the Sun travels above the flat Earth? Also, this idea suggests, if I...

I foolishly changed my mind and decided to watch that STUPID video! I shouldn't have done it because it just makes me angry for people to insult my intelligence with ignorant foolishness like what is presented in the moronic video! Listen. If you (anyone - not just Dave) do not have the mental...

I'm as patient as the day is long so long as you don't avoid the arguments and pretend like they don't exist or that they are assuming something that they do not assume and which has been repeatedly pointed out to you that they do not assume. When you respond to an argument that has to do with...

The calculations made in the video I posted did not make any assumptions about a flat or round Earth. Please respond to the following singular point, a point that everyone on this thread (seemingly) has made and which you have skillfully avoided responding to. Choosing instead to call into...

I'm still choosing to believe that he's playing the part of a #3 but is actually a #2. I just simply cannot believe anyone with a clear mind could be a #1

I'm going to choose to say option 2 just because I still cannot make myself believe that the guy who was capable of creating THIS could have a mind capable of anything else.

So Dave, I see that you're wanting to land the plane here but I've spent way too much time here to let it end without getting some sort of verdict. If you were sitting in a jury box and you had to decide whether the powers the be were guilty or innocent of sticking the pupoluation into beling...

I wonder how many of these will end up being actually facts? This is stated rather losely but granting the point, it is only evidence that we and the planet are moving together. If the planet was motionless or moving at a million miles per hour, it would feel the same to us. Therefore, this is...

Thank you for posting an actual counter argument! You argument here fails because no such assumptions have to be made. It doesn't matter at all if the Moon or Earth are orbiting the Sun when one triangulates their relative distances from the Earth. There is one single assumption, that the Moon...

I haven't dismissed anything with providing an argument that supports that dismissal. Additionally, there is no rational questioning of how trigonometry works in regards to finding the relative lengths of two sides of a right triangle. There is no way around the fact, the observable, provable...

Okay. :up: This is called an unsubstantiated claim. A.K.A. Crazy talk!