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Paul gives the information, but not the faith to believe it. God gives the gift (life death resurrection in Jesus' life death resurrection), but not the faith to believe it, just as he gave gifts to Abraham, but not the faith--it was reckoned as righteousness because the righteousness wasn't...

Sounds like the same kind of thing Peter said were too onerous for the Jews. How will you know if you've achieved them all? Faith alone is what is required of us, but faith is not alone in us.

That's one of the clearest explanations I've heard, but it says we are saved by something other than the cross--you have us saved by this "gift", and therefore the cross is unnecessary.

The link is hilarious! Thanks for posting it. Too bad they ascribe purpose to a purposeless process and won't give glory to God.

That's why I compared Aaron to Paul or the other apostles. Of course there are fakes. But if the main guy, Aaron in OT, or Paul or other apostles (all of them) in NT are fakes, the movement dies. That's why Jesus said, John 17:12 (KJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy...

That's my point. If the man in charge of the ritual doesn't believe in the ritual's power, how could it last?

Try this scenario. Let's say all 12 of the original apostles went the same way as Judas, but didn't commit suicide, or repent. They didn't continue to preach the gospel, nor confirm the resurrection. All they did was baptize and offer communion. They then trained their own disciples to do the...

But surely any Israelite reading that would think, "There's no way God can save me from hell, if even Aaron is in hell today." Do you know of any other case where God tells of a particular man's ultimate destiny (Judas excepted, perhaps)? To say the high priest can't be saved by doing what God...

By "the religion of man" you mean Calvinism, right? Because you teach that people can ONLY be saved by a special process that happens OUTSIDE of and prior to the death of Jesus Christ.

Are you really suggesting that God's grace isn't merciful enough for Aaron?

What's your point?

But what do you make of Moses and Aaron being gathered to their own, distinct people, rather than to the same people?

In the pentateuch, many of the patriarchs are described as being "gathered to his people" when they died. This "gathering" is talked about with dying, and with burying, as if it's a third part of the process. An obvious way to read this is to see it as referring to where the soul goes after...

And yet he told Thomas to touch him. [Jhn 20:27 KJV] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. I think there are better translations of the Mary passage that say, "stop...

Both interesting topics. Maybe start some new threads. Can you show me the scripture where Jesus had a spiritual body before he was resurrected?

"Under the altar" sounds like some kind of compartment. "Spiritual bodies" only makes sense when talking about resurrected bodies. [1Co 15:42, 44 KJV] 42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: ... 44 It is sown a natural body; it is...

Because they're too busy believing the more atrocious ones.

Thanks, JR. Some of that was my doing, trying to make a point. But it definitively swerved off.

If that fly is in my ointment, it was put there by Paul. Are you suggesting there might be folks like that? Sounds like ghosts haunting places. But if that's possible, when does it happen? Paul certainly doesn't think there are bodiless ghosts in heaven, yet the resurrection hasn't happened...

Are they believers? Yes. And they're dead, right? So why are they having to stay in some compartment under the altar? And told to rest longer? My friend died a couple years ago, and at her funeral someone said she was now dancing with Jesus. Why would she be able to dance with Jesus while some...