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And thus you reveal your own Dark Theology.

I know some quite well, and your assessment is not accurate. Like all of us, they get bogged down in some of their theology, but many are doing good work for Christ.

Some are worse than others. They just seem to shut off their brains when someone points out the inconsistencies.

You seem to be saying that the "good news" is that some people will be damned to eternal torment because God wanted them to be.

SO I HAVE SPOKEN, SO LET IT BE DONE!!

Then Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient for their salvation. You are adding to the gospel.

I appreciate the clarification, and it is in keeping with most Christian orthodoxy. But the limited atonement you normally speak of is not what is spoken of in the Bible. God desires all people to repent, not just some. If there are any he does not desire to repent, that means he desires for...

If he actually saved them when he died, then no "elect" person afterward was ever dead in their trespasses and sin. Every elect person born after Christ died was not saved from sin, because they had no sin to be saved from--Christ had already saved them from it before they existed.

Meaning, "If scripture doesn't agree with me, then you must be interpreting it incorrectly."

If human, and if alive, then created equal and has right to life.

Did you go back and read the Ai story? The Israelites, at God's command, faked running away from the army of Ai to allow the city to be taken. If that's not deceptive, what is it? I applaud your desire to maintain God's moral character, but somehow the story of Ai needs to fit into that...

Why is it ok for God to deceive the people of Ai, but not Judas? Didn't he have it coming to him?

Thanks for sharing that, ffree. But you can see that the ambush tactic God told them to use was a deception, right?

Beside @Clete's points, it's very difficult to keep satellites in such a configuration. And it makes the experiment seem possible while staying conveniently out of reach for anyone who's last name isn't Musk or Bezos. Forget using satellites, and do your experiment in your basement using...

Is manipulation always deception? If so (and I'm not sure I agree yet, as you haven't presented evidence for the claim), is deception always wrong? Is God being deceptive when he tells the Israelites to set up an ambush for the people of Ai? Joshua 8:2 (KJV) And thou shalt do to Ai and her king...

You seem to be getting desperate.

Challenge accepted. Immortal, invisible, creator of the heavens and the earth, God only wise. Proverbs 21:1 (KJV) The king's heart [is] in the hand of the LORD, [as] the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Why is it sin? It wasn’t even a temptation for God to allow Satan to tempt Judas, was it?

Perhaps that’s all it is. The words translated “surnamed” are also sometimes translated “called”. Those words don’t exist in the Saul-to-Paul passage, but “called” is inserted by the translators. Cephas is the Aramaic word for the Greek “Peter”, which were interchangeable according to the...

I've admitted I can't find my position anywhere, but I've also shown you can't find yours in the bible, either. My point was for you to consider that Jesus had actually embarrassed Judas in front of his father, and possibly many other people. That wouldn't be manipulation, because Judas brought...