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The city of refuge image is important, and definitely related to Christ's death. I just don't know if it can be applied to that particular timeframe in that particular way. When do you think Christ led the bodiless spirits to heaven?

Yes, I agree (y)

Do we need another use? David's use shows that a small enclosed chamber counts as "lower parts of the earth, which makes a tomb a valid comparison. But Jonah is another.

I appreciate your bringing Nicodemus into the conversation, as that was on my mind from my previous post. I am of the opinion that when Nicodemus was questioning whether a man could enter his mother's womb a second time and be born, Jesus replied, "Essentially, yes." And He was using the...

My mother's womb. Psalm 139:15 (YLT) My substance was not hid from Thee, When I was made in secret, Curiously wrought in the lower part of earth.

"We" only included people who were alive when Paul wrote that. Since then, "we" has expanded to more people who have lived, but it obviously doesn't include people who don't exist yet.

It does matter. Galatians 1:8-9 (KJV) 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let...

The verses also talk about being Abraham's seed, which most of us are not before we are born.

Romans 4:16 (KJV) Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Galatians 3:29 (KJV) And if ye [be] Christ's...

As long as that seed exercises faith, which then opens the door of salvation to all who exercise faith.

"Elect sinners"? God elected people for the purpose of sinning? I've never heard a Calvinist be that honest about his doctrine before. Well done! Now are you ready to reject it because you've made God out to be desiring people to sin?

Before the world began makes sense. "Before time" means "the time prior to when there was time" which you might recognize as incomprehensible.

"Before time"? What does that mean?

Not interchangeably. God's spirit/breath made the dust come to life. Man's soul didn't exist prior to God's breathing, but God's breath surely did. So as long as you "know" something, the rest of us can just take your word for it? I guess we will see the resolution of every disagreement in...

So you say. Yet "spirit" and "soul" are both used in Genesis 2:7. "נְשָׁמָה" (breath) is sometimes translated "spirit". And I should trust that reference? Why?

You are "truly" alive?

God didn't "give" man a soul, according to your reference. God did give His spirit when he breathed into Adam the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul. If God's breath is required to make a man live, then that breath can return to God when man dies. But if man can die, he's not...

Welcome to the forum, Soul. But not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent? Why not? And if not, how can you be sure of the "immortal" part, especially when God said they could die? Doesn't "immortal" mean you either can't or won't ever die? Therefore, if immortality was part of God's image in...

Who gave man such a terrible nature?

Or that God would willingly cause someone to reject him and then send them to hell.