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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Just like the BOC, at least in the enduring. Colossians 1:22-23 (KJV) 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Paul was rebuking them for eating the Lord's supper wrongly. You can tell if you just read the next verse. 1 Corinthians 11:20-21 (KJV) 20 When ye come together therefore into one place, [this] is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21 For in eating every one taketh before [other] his own supper: and...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Despite the numerous times Paul talked about the future salvation. Romans 5:9 (KJV) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:10 (KJV) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Acts 15:11 (KJV) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Into the kingdom Paul kept preaching about.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    How the Jews ended up saved seemed to be equally mysterious, since the 12 took so long to grasp the idea of Jesus's DBR. But I agree it's probably not their salvation, but their incorporation into the same group as the Jews.
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    Who’s it to?

    Ever wonder why John deals so much with loving the brethren in his epistles? If he was writing to a church the had both Jew and gentile believers, as is obvious from 3rd John, and we know there was conflict even between Hellenic and "regular" Jews when the seven (deacons) were chosen, then you...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Who is the "you", and why is that a mystery? Isn't it that the Gentiles would become a people of God? Wasn't that enacted through Paul?
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Tongue planted firmly in cheek. 😉
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Paul didn’t “preach” the mystery, he enacted the mystery.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    That’s what resurrection is referring to: entering into life.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    You can remain effeminate if you want to...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Like this: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Do you think the birth of Isaac was about the resurrection? I do. The birth of Jesus, was it about the resurrection? Absolutely! Why else did he become a man except to die for our sins so that we could live forever in our new bodies...after resurrection.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    I don’t think one has to be opposed to mid-Acts dispensationalism to be opposed to the idea that Peter and Paul preached different gospels.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    If he did, then it shows it’s about the resurrection.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    But you didn’t answer my question. Why was His birth “good tidings”? Here’s another, from your other post: Just because a new person starts proclaiming good news doesn’t mean it’s new good news. Then the different gospels are all tied together around this same point—Jesus’s death and...
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    Why was His birth “good tidings”?
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    But the Christ is inherently part of the kingdom restoration. As such, if he left himself out of the gospel of the kingdom, it’s as bad as leaving the death and resurrection out of the gospel of grace, in my mind.
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    These are NOT the same gospel

    It’s not that they didn’t believe, rather that they didn’t understand. This should be comforting for those on at least one side of this debate, as they were (and we can be, too) still “in Christ” without fully understanding it.
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