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Well, I think that's exactly right. They literally think that it isn't for them to understand, it's for them to believe - period. And that's if it ever occurs to them to notice the incongruity in the first place. Typically, at most, they think "I'm going to ask the Pastor about this after the...

The phrase "for whom Christ died" occurs twice in the bible neither of which are used in the sense that b57 uses the phrase. I love both passages for two reasons. Both passages are talking about our liberty in Christ and how we should be careful not to cause others to stumble because of our...

@Idolater @JudgeRightly All this talk about bishops is entirely irrelevant. The Catholic Church began in something like the late 3rd or early 4th century and we have clear proof out of the mouths of very prominent Catholic bishops that there were other sects of Christianity in existence during...

Yes! Idolater. You're so blinded by your paradigm that you can't even see what you're doing. Your understanding of the office of Bishop is entirely informed by your Catholicism and so... Yes! Idolater, it is text book question begging. More importantly, its a fallacious refutation against a...

Not if the context directly states that God is talking about the two nations that will come from them and not the boys themselves. That's what the passages EXPLICITLY says, Marke! Why are you more loyal to your doctrine than the text of scripture? Genesis 25:23 The Lord said to her, “Two...

Saying it doesn't make it so. I not only directly quoted the source, I provided references sufficient to confirm that what I said was not false. You need to look up the term "Begging the Question"! Such an idiotic statement would only hold any water from within your own Catholic paradigm. It...

That's not an answer. The record in the bible is clear. Esau never once served his brother Isaac. It flatly did not happen. So, I ask you again, was God wrong or are you?

The elder never served the younger, Marke! The elder (Esau) never ever served the younger (Jacob). It just never happened. So was God wrong or are you? Further, Romans 9 is not about those two boys and its not about predestination. It's about Israel and why it was cut off. I establish what...

So, nothing anyone says, no matter how reasonable or rational or substantive moves you an inch off of any doctrine you happen to believe. What makes you any better than b57? If you're not convinced, that's one thing. Blowing off everything that's been said as though we didn't say anything is...

There's tons of things that God can know about someone before they are born. For one thing He knows every detail of a child's DNA, which determines so much about what sort of person the child will be. DNA determines much more than just physical characteristics like hair and eye color but also...

No. The future does not exist for Him to see. God knows everything He wants to know of that information which is knowable. He is also optimally intelligent, wise, skilled and powerful and so it isn't difficult for God to not only predict future events but also to decide what He wants to...

Except the ability to communicate and use your mind, which you cannot do without borrowing from the Christian worldview. Yes, I said that correctly. Every intelligible syllable you utter tacitly borrows from the Christian worldview. Your ability to read this sentence borrows from the Christian...

I don't think God has the ability to do that either.

Okay, first of all, I want to acknowledge the time you spent writing this very long post and I want to make clear that my brief response is not about me blowing off anything you've said but only my attempt to focus the discussion and to sort of reset the length of the posts so that the responses...

No question, there are indeed groups of people who are "elect". The Calvinist interpretation of this would make God unjust and is therefore clearly false and simply ridiculous really. Well, yes, but not in the way the Calvinists mean it. One becomes one of the elect if and when you believe...

The cited verse doesn't teach the doctrine he espouses here. Hebrews 9:14 doesn't speak about the blood of Christ doing something to us as though it were some sort of magic spell cast on us against our will or absent our knowledge and consent. It, just like everything else b57 has presented, is...

Why would I ever want to represent Catholicism? I am not a Catholic nor would I ever want to be accidentally thought of as being Catholic. Catholics believe one unbiblical and contradictory doctrine after another. There are very definitely a great many Catholics who are saved Christians but they...

Saying it doesn't make it so. No, it isn't. The sky is blue, not red. The clouds can reflect red light during sunrise and sunset but the clouds aren't the sky. Except that it's true and the others aren't. You flatly don't know what you're talking about. Christianity, that is actually biblical...

I just saw a link to the thread on the home page and started reading. I saw Keypurr's post and just reacted. I didn't notice how old it was until after I had already hit the post button. At least the guy made an argument, though! I wish I had seen the post back then. Maybe I could have...

You are not a christian!