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  1. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    Which word in the Greek means "age"?
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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    No, what I'd like is for you to respond to the point I made and stop deflecting the discussion over to something else.
  3. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    So, in so far as translating this phrase goes, I find myself in agreement with Idolater here. What good does it do to translate something into a language if it doesn't make sense to the people who use that language every day? I'm reminded of "word" being used as a translation for "logos" in John...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    All interpretations based on your doctrine. That's backward. We don't conform the bible to our doctrine but our doctrine to the plain reading of scripture. The point being made, not only in Genesis but also in the Exodus passages, is that God created everything that exists in six days. John...
  5. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    That doesn't sound all that "conservative" to me. You're basically suggesting that Paul was using sort of loose language and that the phrase is effectively a figure of speech. I don't mean to suggest that I reject the idea of figures of speech being used in the bible but the conservative in me...
  6. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    Yes, yes, of course, not the original autographs but we do have the text of scripture in the original languages, which was my point.
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    Genesis isn't the only book of the bible and there isn't ANY reasonable argument that could begin to suggest that either of the verses below are allegorical, poetic or anything else other than explicit. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    Okay, first of all the nearest star is about 4.22 light years away and the farthest thing visible with the naked eye is the Andromeda Galaxy (i.e. billions of very distant stars) which is something like 2.5 million light years away. And no, it isn't proof that the universe is old. The distances...
  9. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    While holding the literal view is not a salvific issue, it is unchristian to hold that view, which is to say that the non-literal view is in contradiction to the Christian worldview. More accurately, it is in contradiction to the biblical worldview in that the early chapters of Genesis isn't the...
  10. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    Well, of course, I agree with every syllable of your post so don't have much to contribute to the discussion except to say, in response to the above sentence, that I'm glad that I was never sucked into King James Onlyism or any other line of thought that didn't emphasize the importance of the...
  11. Clete

    Before Time Began?!

    I've often thought to myself, "I could make stronger arguments against my own doctrine than I've ever seen anyone make on Theology Online!" and, in fact, I'm sure I've even said so in a post here and there over the years, but I've always avoided doing so because I don't like the idea of handing...
  12. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Precisely! I really would enjoy it, though, if, every once in a while, someone surprised the whole forum and proved one of my predictions wrong!
  13. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Of course, that is precisely what he expects! Well, it is, at the very least, what he hopes for because even if he were sent to Hell and told he had to post on TOL 200 posts a day, everyday, from now on, 10,000 years from now he'll still have never posted anything that supports his claims.
  14. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Yes, it is, you nincompoop! The topic of this thread is made perfectly and explicitly clear in the opening post where is says... "Some have claimed that Genesis 1 is just allegorical or symbolic. This is a thread for them to explain the allegory and/or the symbolism in that chapter." You're a...
  15. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Topic for another thread. NO! This is a debate forum, not a "post a link" forum. Make the argument or leave. The only waste of time around here is you. It was predictable from your very first post in this thread.
  16. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Saying it doesn't make it so! Make an argument that supports the implied claim that the Bible is either false or speaking in some kind of figurative/allegorical language or admit that you cannot.
  17. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Prediction: This babbler won't ever give a direct answer to a direct question. He'll twist and squirm and redirect but he'll NEVER engage the subject of the thread with any substance nor answer any direct question with a clear answer.
  18. Clete

    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Are you trying to get banned?
  19. Clete

    Who Justifieth the Ungodly

    God elects those who repent. It is NOT the other way around! John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. This is only...
  20. Clete

    Protestantism was falsified here on TOL

    Truly and laughably idiotic delusion! I wasted several minutes wading through that asinine thread to find basically one post that even pretended to be an actual argument. It was the most self-contradictory nonsense I've read from any Catholic on any topic since I've been posting on TOL (that's...
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