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So if you lie so good may come, then you're sinning and therefore lying, even in your examples, is not righteous.

Then please explain how we can know when lying is righteous and when it is evil. Because if it is evil some of the time and righteous other times, we need to know the difference.

And lying any other time is evil, right, besides one of these specially acceptable times?

Meaning that there is a great evil about to occur (the innocent will be condemned to death, for instance), and we are trying to prevent that evil?

Thanks, but what I'm trying to get from @Clete is a description of the circumstances involved, in order to determine how to make sure we don't go into the ditch of lying for whatever reason we dream up. Surely both you and he will admit that sometimes it IS a sin to lie to authority. What makes...

When is it not a sin to lie to someone in authority?

If God is the absolute authority, and the bible, as His absolutely authoritative word to us, says He doesn't lie, why is it we feel we know better? What did God want to accomplish in this case? It wasn't just to establish Saul's kingdom, but to establish a good and righteous kingdom, eventually...

In the cases we have in the bible where lying was rewarded by God, one could very easily say they were choosing the lesser of two evils, because they were lying to their authority figures. The only way such could be justified with your response is to say it is never a sin to lie to someone in...

You can see the dish eying the spoon...

Epitome: a person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type. Absolute (adj.): * not qualified or diminished in any way; total * (of powers or rights) not subject to any limitation * (of a ruler) having unrestricted power. "he proclaimed himself absolute monarch" *...

Both can be true without them meaning the same thing. Wrong. Look up the phrases. No, I didn't give you that much credit. But someone did invent it to explain something that they thought needed to be explained. That doesn't mean you are the one speaking truth. Or yourself, since "spiritually...

But it doesn't show that God can lie, or ever does. Not does it show that He ever needs to lie.

I'm not sure what you mean by "assume the high ground".

Or He told the truth in a contingent fashion. And there were two parts: 1. Whether Saul would come 2. Whether the men of Keilah would give David up. Both are contingent on David being there at Keilah. If he's not, there's no one to give up to Saul. And, if David isn't in Keilah, there's no...

We didn't talk much about that instance, but as it is in the form of a story, there's some question in my mind whether it actually played out in heaven the way Micaiah described. It might hav been merely a vision God gave Micaiah to illustrate what was going on. Still, it says that a lying...

Such a question is equally valid for any god ever dreamed up. In other words, if you were in another religion, you couldn't question Zeus, or Baal, or Ishtar, or whomever in that religion. The one God that is beyond question is the one we are allowed to question...because He is able to...

My focus was more on the part talking about lying. Except that God is the epitome of absoluteness. He is all powerful, He is all knowing, He is all wise, He is all present. All of those are amoral characteristics. When you say He is all good, and then you say that He lies sometimes, those...

Young's Literal Translation says the same as NIV. It's part of the reason for starting the thread. If God cannot lie, then not lying is not a moral plus for God. If He can but does not, then He can claim moral high ground in that area. This verse says He will not lie, but not that He cannot...

Only if you've sworn to tell the whole truth. The way DAs and perhaps even defense attorneys seem to work, they actually force people to violate their vow to tell the whole truth sometimes. I'm not sure that's the same thing as deception in battle, as it could be argued God was not in battle...