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Here: Post in thread 'Can God lie?' https://theologyonline.com/threads/can-god-lie.59793/post-1887782? I don't see how that helps define a lie, or even a half truth. Nor did you explain what information the midwives withheld from pharaoh. They gave him information, but the information was...

Is a strawman? How so? Usually my position wouldn't be a strawman, only my caricature of your position would be that. You're welcome to offer a definition for discussion. "Half truth" was an attempt, but you didn't follow up.

What? You talk about my thread in a different thread, but don't tag me?

That's why everybody died? I don't see that in scripture.

What does that mean? What position? That the midwives lied? I thought I understood you to say that they didn't lie. I could go find it. For this thread I am.

Who's doing that? "What God, and Jesus, thought of lying" is not the same thing as God and Jesus. We're trying to discuss what exactly God, and Jesus, think about lying, and you are putting lying on a par with them, as if we are somehow worshiping lying.

We also know that not everybody sinned as badly as Adam did before the law, yet they still received the wages of sin, which is death. Romans 5:14 KJV - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the...

Why?

If the midwives were telling the truth, then they weren't needed for being midwives. Why would the Israelites keep calling for the midwives if they never got there on time. At the least they would have fired those midwives and hired new ones. You haven't suggested any knowledge the midwives...

So the kind of lying I proposed, where God says He doesn't lie but He really does lie, is NOT the kind of lie you say He doesn't do according to Titus 1:2. Therefore, even the kind of lie banned in Titus 1:2 is ok, since Titus 1:2 is a lie, potentially, and no longer trustworthy for determining...

If a half truth is truth with some truth withheld to make people think some falsehood is correct (though without voicing the falsehood), then there might be a time when it is necessary, but I say that it's no different from the lie's sinfulness for the same reasons. If a lie is sometimes not...

I still think @JudgeRightly's examples would sometimes necessitate lying to save people's lives.

Romans 5:13 KJV — (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Can you show how the context limits it to such? Doesn't it seem that a God who lies could be lying about whether He lies--all for perfectly righteous reasons, of course.

Priests both administer and celebrate the eucharist, right? And everybody at mass celebrates it? Paul gave a small for-instance of when it's wrong for an individual to celebrate it, and the implication some take from Paul is that the administration should be withheld in certain circumstances...

Why does that support a half truth not being a lie? Maybe I misunderstand what you mean by "half truth".

It's ok to discuss in this thread how you feel the Holy Spirit lies or doesn't lie in that or other instances.

Not to mention a bunch of people's integrity. From the Washington Examiner: ...Fauci acknowledged that he knowingly misled the public because the experts “were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short...

I never said it's unnecessary--I'm not the best judge of that. What I'm saying is that what might make it necessary are circumstances where a greater evil needs to be averted, and we humans don't have the knowledge or power to always avoid the lie. That doesn't mean that lying is a good thing...

I think it's very unlikely that what they said to pharaoh was completely true, but are you suggesting that a half truth, when meant to deceive, is less a problem than a whole lie?