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If they've found actual truth that doesn't fit with Catholicism, give up on Catholicism. Yep. And in spite of the danger that they might bring to the faithful of your household? If the master says it's your duty, and you're in complete control and neglect your duty, are you being more...

A "new" expression. One that ISN'T eternal (the heavens and earth has a beginning and will be destroyed by fire). Sounds like a change to me.

And you're saying that at least some of those spiritual beings with real freedom could sin without a tempter, right? Maybe not some, but at least one? I rest my case.

Certainly. But could there have been? Hard to know. To say "the way things worked out is the only way things could have worked out" is to presuppose Calvinistic determinism, and probably God being bound by it Himself, eternally.

With a nod to @JudgeRightly, Jesus listened to Satan (heard what he said, since He replied to it), but He didn't listen to Satan (to do what he said). Thus sin, which Adam and Eve did, made them and all of us stupid, despite it being a tree of knowledge. But fear of the Lord is the beginning...

I didn't view the video, but Bob Enyart agreed with Bohnhoeffer by saying "Stupid doesn't make you sin, but sin makes you stupid."

What do you do with a child (whom you love) who won't take correction? Perhaps. Good point. Lust is already a sin, though (Thou shalt not covet). When Jesus was growing up, probably fairly poor, did He have opportunity to envy the possessions of others? And aren't we told about His struggle...

(@Lon, too) James tells us we are tempted by our own desires. James 1:14-15 KJV — But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Satan isn't needed for us to...

I still don't see it as an act of love to even call such things shrewd. Just like saying "the serpent was more subtil than any other animal" is not expressing love, but a mere statement of fact.

Maybe long-winded, meandering posts indicate that very thing--trying to wrap one's mind around a foreign concept. I'd be hesitant to say people CAN'T move off their position, but there's plenty of evidence that it's very difficult for them (and us) to do.

If the servant was loving from the beginning, he was choosing to do so. I can't tell where the servant went from no-love to love. But wherever it was, it was his choice...and he didn't have to do it from love. This seems to be what's going on when Christians are told to "do all things as unto...

It is, but it's different from the ones where some are cast into outer darkness, with weeping and gnashing of teeth. The parable seems to be talking about an earthly kingdom of heaven, where some will be cast out of the kingdom and just be with other people (no gnashing?). So I would suggest...

Yeah, @Idolater, don't be an oxymoron!

"Freewill", sure. "Autonomy"? No, at least not without consequences. God told them the "law", and the consequences for breaking it. I don't see that as a gift. Yep. You blame man's sin on the serpent? Do you really think they could've lived millions (billions? trillions?) of years without...

Two is all we know about. Since it was an agreement between Abram and Sarai, it's possible they did it more often.

The company I was working for most recently did something similar with covid tests, which unvax'd employees were required to take every 2 or 3 days. They were going to give us a bunch of test kits, which we would use at home, then we had to take a selfie with the test result and upload it to a...

How is the master loving the steward?

Yes, but the previous verse says "if" the master gave him a wife. So it can be love for master and/or love for wife and kids in a subset of cases. Self-love, perhaps. Do you see him loving someone else?

Just on this point, can you show a scripture where love ISN'T freely given, i.e., it is forced? And if not, then every scripture about love fits your criterion--that love is "constrained" by the definition of love, i.e., doing those actions of love willingly. Certainly we can imagine the same...

Than we definitely should close the thread.