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I mainly want to address those parts where you referred to me, plus one other. To clarify, I acquiesced to the switch language, but only that mankind went from innocence to guilt with the eating of the tree. Yet, the suggestion was there before Satan's interaction: [Gen 2:16 KJV] And the LORD...

I think I would count myself in the camp of "God knows all things knowable." But I temper it with the idea that God observes things that happen in order to know them. He knows David's thoughts (words before they are on his tongue) because He searches David's heart, not because He just...

Good post, Clete! I have a couple of comments that aren't that crucial, but thought I'd verbalize them. No need to respond, as I don't want to interrupt your dialogue. Bingo! I would add, "or tends toward the negation, opposition, or destruction". Yep. I don't think this passage tells us God...

Whether it needs it or not, "autonomy" means freedom from God's law (specifically "self-law"). An autonomous person can have or not have consciousness of others. Consciousness of others can exhibit itself in either love or not love (hate, for instance). I don't see why consciousness of others is...

Not following very well. If "can", on purpose, that equals "made to be able", according to the definitions of "can" and "on purpose": (surely you agree that God was purposeful in His creating, and that nothing He created turned out unexpected, or "not very good"?) Can we back up and talk about...

I don't care so much about what it's called, as long as the descriptor is descriptive enough. "Free will" suggests things in my mind that are more descriptive than "imago dei", mainly because that term is used by so many for divergent meanings. For instance, some people think the image of God...

But the mixing is unnecessary for that passage.

So we're using the same characteristics of God to come to opposite conclusions. In my case, no other entities are necessary to the story, but in your case unnamed others are. You don't you think God can make a being that can choose evil over good without being responsible for that evil. I think...

Sure. But that's beside the point. Paul didn't suddenly change audiences there in that chapter of 1 Corinthians 10 compared to ch 9.

Dont forget the YE's. They are the most helpful. Not "we"! Thus the "our fathers" can be easily referring to the Jews' fathers without including the Gentiles he's writing to. Jewish ancestors coming out of Eqypt. Jewish members of the church of Jesus. Let's continue: 1 Corinthians 10:6-10...

Combination of this: Psalm 91:10-12 KJV — There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. And this...

We're handicapped a little in understanding the other fall, but it needs to be considered with the same questions. Satan (Lucifer?) was also created 'good.' He (light-bearer?) had a directive as well, probably to look after the new couple and "bear them up in his hands, lest they strike their...

Are you in Ouray now? We love going there.

Only when they burn the clippings in a big pile.

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Paul met one qualification to be an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. He was specifically, personally (in person) chosen by Him for the job, something Matthias could not claim.Paul met one qualification to be an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. He was specifically, personally (in person) chosen...

Wow! You just eliminated all mankind from apostle-ship, since we were all dead in our trespasses and sins. I'm ok with that. Not so much that he was given a different gospel to dispense.

The angel, sure. But how many died of frogs, locusts, and hail? They were sent to help harden Pharaoh's heart. They had a ministry of hardening. I'm not offering counter examples. I'm merely offering examples. Why do you think they are "counter"? Maybe this answers my question. If offering a...

I just offered it as an addition to the "only two" offered. The serpents were obviously not the tree, nor were they written on tablets of stone. They were sent by God, as agents for His purpose, and their ministry was death. If you think they are "the law" or "the tree", then you may certainly...

Did God send guns to kill people? God sent Paul to the Gentiles. He had a ministry to them. Acts 21:19 KJV — And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. According to Webster's 1828 dictionary (the closest to KJV...