Jesus is God

[genuineoriginal]

You know you didn't post exactly what the definition says.

Now stop coming back and being deceitful.

You said Jesus isn't God but is another God but still is deity.

I told you that there is only one Divine God, unless you are a pagan.

You chopped up a dictionary definition.

I did not alter the part I posted, I merely omitted the parts that were not relevant.

I have been accused of denying the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God.
I do not deny the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God.

The people accusing me of denying the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God are doing so because I am not using the specialized definition of the word deity that applies only to God the Father.

Since the Bible states that Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus cannot be the God that He is the Son of, so the specialized definition of the word deity does not apply to Jesus, the only definition of deity that fits is the more general definition that applies to any divine being.

 

[7djengo7]

I will stick with what the Bible actually says, and it does not say anything like that.

You never stick with what the Bible actually says, you Bible-despising liar. That's why you teach that Jesus is not YHWH.

 

[7djengo7]

You know you didn't post exactly what the definition says.

Now stop coming back and being deceitful.

You said Jesus isn't God but is another God but still is deity.

I told you that there is only one Divine God, unless you are a pagan.

You chopped up a dictionary definition.

That deranged, Christ-despising clown claims that Jesus "stripped Himself of His divinity"

Originally posted by genuineoriginal >>

Christ Jesus left heaven, stripped Himself of His divinity, and was born as a man.

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[genuineoriginal]

You teach that Jesus is not God: that is you teaching that Jesus is not good.

You disagree with Jesus that there is none good but one, that is, God?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

My arguments are built on a strong foundation and are built with gold, silver, and precious stones.

Your straw-man arguments are built with wood, hay, and stubble.

If you want to make any real argument, I will try to answer it with what the Bible teaches.

 

[God's Truth]

I did not alter the part I posted, I merely omitted the parts that were not relevant.

It was relevant.

I have been accused of denying the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God.
I do not deny the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God.

There is only one Divine God in the Christian religion.

The people accusing me of denying the deity of Jesus the Christ, the Son of God are doing so because I am not using the specialized definition of the word deity that applies only to God the Father.

Since the Bible states that Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus cannot be the God that He is the Son of, so the specialized definition of the word deity does not apply to Jesus, the only definition of deity that fits is the more general definition that applies to any divine being.

The Almighty God can do anything He wants, and He came as a son of man, a son of God.

 

[Theo102]

Sorry, I forgot to include the reference, here it is.
https://www.alpinebible.com/2016/11/shema-yisrael-adonai-elohenu-adonai-echad-deuteronomy-64/

Yeah, they're not the only source to conflate the plural and singular forms like that.

If you want to argue about what they said, go talk to them about it.

No, you don't get to play that get out of jail free card. I've shown how the original text supports my position by posting the yud-nun-waw suffix being used with both the singular and plural forms of the Hebrew word for father, and elohinuw has to be singular to be consistent with that, regardless of how it's treated by the Alpine Bible etc.

 

[God's Truth]

That deranged, Christ-despising clown claims that Jesus "stripped Himself of His divinity"

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Yeah that is strange to say that.

 

[genuineoriginal]

[genuineoriginal] claims that Jesus "stripped Himself of His divinity"

If Jesus had held on to His divinity, He would have been immortal and would not have been able to die on the cross.

 

[Theo102]

You never stick with what the Bible actually says, you Bible-despising liar. That's why you teach that Jesus is not YHWH.

Jesus isn't YHWH, unless you want to argue that YHWH is a servant.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:11

 

[genuineoriginal]

It was relevant.

Not to me, which is to say that it was not at all relevant.

There is only one Divine God in the Christian religion.

Yes, which is why it is not good to make the claim that the Son of the only one Divine God is the same as the only one Divine God.

The Almighty God can do anything He wants

I always shake my head at arguments that start by claiming that God "can do anything He wants" to do and then end with making a claim that God did something He did not do.

 

[God's Truth]

Not to me, which is to say that it was not at all relevant.

Yes, which is why it is not good to make the claim that the Son of the only one Divine God is the same as the only one Divine God.

I always shake my head at arguments that start by claiming that God "can do anything He wants" to do and then end with making a claim that God did something He did not do.

You can't say Jesus is a 'god' and is divine but is not the one and only Divine God.

 

[Theo102]

If Jesus had held on to His divinity, He would have been immortal and would not have been able to die on the cross.

The only option you're left with is that he didn't die on the cross, consistent with the Bible not validating the crucifixion in prophecy.

"But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people." The crucified man, Psalm 22:6

 

[genuineoriginal]

I've shown how the original text supports my position by posting the yud-nun-waw suffix being used with both the singular and plural forms of the Hebrew word for father, and elohinuw has to be singular to be consistent with that

Do you know of a better way to write "Our Elohiym" in Hebrew than Eloheinu, and do you have any scholarly references to back it up?
If not, then I will accept the expert linguist explanation for the word.

 

[God's Truth]

If Jesus had held on to His divinity, He would have been immortal and would not have been able to die on the cross.

God came as a man and experienced life and death for us.

See Hebrews 2.

He died in the flesh but lived in the spirit, and raised himself from the dead.

 

[genuineoriginal]

You can't say Jesus is a 'god' and is divine but is not the one and only Divine God.

The Bible teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the only God we are to worship out of all the gods.

Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

The Bible teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is above all other gods.

2 Chronicles 2:5 5 And the house which I build is great: for great is our God above all gods.

The Bible teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob judges the other gods.

Psalm 82:1 1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

The Bible teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the King above of all gods.

Psalm 95:3 3 For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

If the Bible says that there are other gods under the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, why wouldn't I be able to say that Jesus is a god and is divine without requiring Jesus to be the same God as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has put all things under Lord Jesus Christ with one exception, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Himself.

1 Corinthians 15:27 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

The only God greater than our Lord Jesus Christ is His Father, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

John 14:28 28 [JESUS]Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.[/JESUS]

 

[7djengo7]

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

My arguments are built on a strong foundation and are built with gold, silver, and precious stones.

Your straw-man arguments are built with wood, hay, and stubble.

If you want to make any real argument, I will try to answer it with what the Bible teaches.

You have given no arguments. You are self-deluded into calling your ravings "arguments".

How do you imagine your anti-Christ, anti-Bible teaching that Jesus is not good shall fare? Do you feel you'll receive a reward for your teaching that Jesus is not good, you Christ-despising hypocrite?

 

[genuineoriginal]

God came as a man and experienced life and death for us.

See Hebrews 2.

Did Jesus appoint Himself, or was Jesus faithful to the one who appointed Him?

Hebrews 3:1-2 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

He died in the flesh but lived in the spirit, and raised himself from the dead.

Did Jesus raise Himself from the dead, or did God raise His Son from the dead?

Acts 3:26 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

[7djengo7]

Jesus isn't YHWH, unless you want to argue that YHWH is a servant.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:11

YHWH--God the Son--is a servant, indeed, just like this passage tells us.

What (if any) point do you imagine you're making, besides further gnashing your teeth against Christ?

 

[God's Truth]

Did Jesus appoint Himself, or was Jesus faithful to the one who appointed Him?
Hebrews 3:1-2
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house

God came as a man and the man Jesus was appointed.

Did Jesus raise Himself from the dead, or did God raise His Son from the dead?

They are the same

Acts 3:26
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

 

[Theo102]

Do you know of a better way to write "Our Elohiym" in Hebrew than Eloheinu, and do you have any scholarly references to back it up?
If not, then I will accept the expert linguist explanation for the word.

From a Yahwist perspective the phrase "Our Elohim" implies that YHWH has equals or partners, and this idea is repudiated by the prophets eg:

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] El, and [there is] none else; [I am] Elohim, and [there is] none like me,
Isaiah 46:9