Paul was NEVER under Peter's authority
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I believe that you have made such a claim.
It is claimed by Rome (the RCC) that Peter (and his successors), as "pope" is the sole "leader and representative" of Jesus Christ on earth. Paul consistently, throughout his epistles, proves that claim to be FALSE. Paul claims equal but different authority. Paul is the founder of the body of Christ based on the authority given him by the RISEN and ASCENDED Lord Jesus Christ.
Peter was ONE of TWELVE apostles that have authority over ISRAEL. Israel is FALLEN.
Modern apologetic pushers like Frank Turek and Wes Huff need to come in here to TOL and see good they really are. They are both ok to me, for the record. I only recently saw Wes Huff because he emasculated some idiot over the Bible. Then he went on Joe Rogan. Then he went every where else.
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What does this have to do with the topic?
Do you still not understand the unique ministry and authority given to Paul?
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Why don't you ask the same question to Nick M? He's the one who mentioned Frank Turek, to which, I responded. If anyone's off-topic it's him. Not me.
Plain.
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YOU posted two videos. I asked YOU what they have to do with the TOPIC.
Then why did you post the video?
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He doesn't want me in his threads and holds me to a different standard than he holds you to. You brought up Frank Turek, I posted some Frank Turek content. I got screeched at, you didn't. Even though I was only responding to you.
I thought you had a good point and I agreed with you, so I posted some Frank Turek content, one showing him with Charlie Kirk for some context, since many of us are sadly freshly familiar with Kirk's shtick. So for comparison, watching him and Turek talking. The other was just Turek I think failing to answer the problem of Sola Scriptura, which is that there are tons of different interpretations of the Bible.
I thought you had a good point and I agreed with you, so I posted some Frank Turek content, one showing him with Charlie Kirk for some context, since many of us are sadly freshly familiar with Kirk's shtick. So for comparison, watching him and Turek talking. The other was just Turek I think failing to answer the problem of Sola Scriptura, which is that there are tons of different interpretations of the Bible.
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Total nonsense.
"Screeched at"? I think that you are mentally retarded.
I simply ASKED YOU what the videos had to do WITH THE TOPIC.
You are a whiny little brat.
Instead of simply posting a couple of videos without a single word of your own about them... how about YOU give some context as to WHY you're posting the videos and WHAT they have to do with the topic?
That is certainly not too much to ask.
You're a pitiful liar. The standard has been said many times. You devil worshiping pig. Scripture is the standard. If you have a tradition that is against scripture, we go with scripture. You falsely state a strawman. Frank has stated that same thing literally dozens of times when asked in videos.
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A Mid-Acts dispensational view identifies Paul as the unique apostle for the current Dispensation of Grace. This perspective argues that Peter’s authority belonged to the prophetic program for Israel, while Christ gave Paul a separate commission for the Church, the Body of Christ.
If Peter were the singular representative of Christ on earth, Paul would have needed to submit his gospel to Peter for validation. Paul did not do this. Instead, he spent three years in Arabia before seeing any of the Twelve.
These are separate messages for different programs. Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel as promised in prophecy. Paul preached the gospel of Christ or the gospel of the grace of God to all men through the "revelation of the mystery" (Romans 16:25). Peter’s authority applied to the circumcision. Paul’s authority applies to the uncircumcision.
In 2 Peter 3:15-16, Peter acknowledged that Paul wrote with a wisdom given to him and noted that Paul's letters contained things "hard to be understood." Peter did not claim authority over Paul. He deferred to the unique revelations Paul received.
Paul rebuked Peter for not walking "uprightly according to the truth of the gospel" (Galatians 2:14). In a hierarchy where Peter is the head, a subordinate cannot rebuke the leader for failing to follow the subordinate's specific doctrine. This rebuke shows that Paul’s revelation of the mystery is the standard for the present time.
A New Commission for a New Program
Paul did not receive his instructions or authority from Peter or the twelve apostles. He stated in Galatians 1:1, "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead);." He affirmed this independent source in Galatians 1:11-12: "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."If Peter were the singular representative of Christ on earth, Paul would have needed to submit his gospel to Peter for validation. Paul did not do this. Instead, he spent three years in Arabia before seeing any of the Twelve.
Two Distinct Gospels
The Bible distinguishes between the ministry given to Peter and the ministry given to Paul. Galatians 2:7 states, "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;".These are separate messages for different programs. Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel as promised in prophecy. Paul preached the gospel of Christ or the gospel of the grace of God to all men through the "revelation of the mystery" (Romans 16:25). Peter’s authority applied to the circumcision. Paul’s authority applies to the uncircumcision.
Paul’s Role as the Masterbuilder
Paul identifies himself as the specific authority for the current age. In 1 Corinthians 3:10, he writes, "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon." Paul laid the foundation for the Church today. He also called himself the "minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles" in Romans 15:16.In 2 Peter 3:15-16, Peter acknowledged that Paul wrote with a wisdom given to him and noted that Paul's letters contained things "hard to be understood." Peter did not claim authority over Paul. He deferred to the unique revelations Paul received.
Direct Conflict and Superiority of the Grace Program
The event in Galatians 2:11 proves that Paul’s authority over the Body of Christ superseded Peter’s kingdom-based practices. When Peter withdrew from eating with Gentiles to appease the circumcision group, Paul "withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed."Paul rebuked Peter for not walking "uprightly according to the truth of the gospel" (Galatians 2:14). In a hierarchy where Peter is the head, a subordinate cannot rebuke the leader for failing to follow the subordinate's specific doctrine. This rebuke shows that Paul’s revelation of the mystery is the standard for the present time.
The Diminishing of Peter’s Program
Acts 15 records the Jerusalem Council where the leaders addressed the status of Gentiles. Peter and James acknowledged that God was doing a new work through Paul. By the end of the book of Acts, the focus shifts entirely from Peter and the twelve apostles to Paul and his ministry to the nations. Peter and the Twelve disappear from the narrative because their prophetic program for Israel was set aside when Israel rejected the Holy Spirit.
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I really enjoy how you completely miss the point and ignore what people write.
The new covenant is a replacement for the old covenant. The same two parties are involved: God and Israel. Jer 31 and Heb 8.
The body of Christ is a NEW CREATURE, it is the ONE NEW MAN. It it NOT the "new covenant".
It doesn't surprise me that you abuse the scripture to try to support your false religion.
P.S. This thread is NOT about the differences or similarities in the ministries of Peter and Paul... it is about Paul NOT being under Peters authority, which is quite clear from scripture. This dumps your RCC's "authority" right down the drain. Get back on topic or I'll ask the admins to boot you from this thread.
He didn't. He did the opposite.