May I ask...

[JudgeRightly]

Right.
If one commits a sin, he is a sinner.

Not necessarily.

Generally speaking yes, but not if it's a Christian.

You've been fooled.

False.

Jesus said "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:34)

To the people of the law.

There is no difference, unless you don't feel the Law was righteous.

Just because you cannot see a difference doesn't mean there isn't one, Hoping.

Fulfilling the law is not the same as fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law.

If he had "placed his trust in Christ", he would have trusted in the promised escapes from temptation that God promised in 1 Cor 10:13.

You seem to think that verse says something that it doesn't.

Read from verse 12:

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:12, 1 Corinthians 10:13 - New King James Version

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

www.biblegateway.com

"Beyond what you are able..."

In other words, God will not allow His own to be tempted with things they are not able to withstand. He provides a way to escape.

What it does NOT say, is that God will not let His own fall in their temptation.
What it does NOT say, is that God guarantees that His own WILL escape the temptation.

Sinners don't trust God.

Duh.

Christians aren't identified as sinners, though they sin.

Trust is manifested by action.

Manifestation of faith is not a requirement.

Sin shows one is a child of the devil, (1 John 3:10), and not trusting God.

Indeed.

So there is sin in Christ ?

Not what I said.

If you could quit straw manning my arguments, that'd be great.

I disagree.
John writes..."This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)

Supra, RE: 1 John 1:8.

Sinners are not identified as righteous by God.

Never said they were.

That would make Him a liar.

Good thing that's not what I said then.

The justified don't sin.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

So liars thieves, adulterers, etc. are in Christ?

Those who were formerly thieves, adulterers, etc., who have placed their trust in Christ, are now identified in Him.

It doesn't mean they don't do those things anymore, it just means their identity is no longer those things, that they do not live the lifestyles of thieves, adulterers, etc.

Can't you see how ludicrous that is?

There is nothing ludicrous about being identified in Christ.

Who will he say it to?
The sinners .

You, Hoping. He will say it to you, if you do not repent and put your trust in Him, rather than in your works.

 

[way 2 go]

"way to go" saying he is a believer isn't in the bible.
The words in the bible are powerless, until someone uses them
Like a hedge-clipper in your shed is useless until someone plugs it in and starts trimming with it.

the Law is just words on a page

The bible refers to Jesus as the Word.

Who do you think Jesus is ?

God refers to himself as the Word
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Hoping]

the Law is just words on a page

It is just that, to all to whom it doesn't apply.

Who do you think Jesus is ?

Jesus is the Word made flesh.
He is the Son of God.
He is the Redeemer of all who will submit to Him.
He is the sacrificial Lamb of God.

God refers to himself as the Word
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John refers to the Word as God, but John also refers to the Word by Himself. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)
What John wrote, is from God the Father.

Who do the MADs think Jesus is?

 

[way 2 go]

No. I have to keep Jesus' two commandments, or my unbelief will be punished with a lake of fire.

so what you're really saying is you get to define the law you want to keep
not the law Jesus summarized

If parts of the long gone Law of Moses are inadvertently kept to satisfy Jesus' commadments...so be it.
Murder, theft, lies, and adultery, never show love for God or for a neighbor.

the law is not gone , it's for sinners
(Romans 7:13) Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But sin, that it might appear to be sin, working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

that is why God calls that day judgement day
heaven or hell the moment you die is A judgement

If I die before the Lord's return, I will lay in my grave until then.
At my resurrection, it will be to eternal life with God, or eternal damnation with Hitler and all the other idolaters.


That day has not yet arrived.
It will come with the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

so you don't believe what the bible says , seems to be a theme with you

(II Corinthians 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

People who love God do as the Creator wishes.
People who hate God do against His wishes.
It is evidenced by the way they dress, among other things.

(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

They are the summary of the ten commandments.

Circumcision isn't part of the ten commandments or what is called the Law of Christ.

I don't think so, as I no longer have the need to preach circumcision. dietary rules, feast keeping, sabbath keeping, tithing, or anything else not within loving God and neighbor.

Now you are getting it !
Circumcision and what we eat have no impact on our love for God or neighbor !

You seem to be having trouble separating Jesus' two commands from Moses' 400 something Laws.

(Matthew 22:40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Amen to that !
As sinners cannot "be in Christ" or "walk in the Spirit", it keeps me busy preaching about freedom from sin.

you preach keep some of the Law

Paul preaches walk by the spirit

(Romans 7:18-19) [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I do not find. [19] For I do not do the good that I desire; but the evil which I do not will, that I do.

It is a Law to those unsuccessfully trying to live under the Law.
Not not to those in Christ who are dead to the Law.

Paul's dispensation?
Are you one of those who worships Paul instead of God and His Son?
Jesus did away with circumcision when He fulfilled the Law and prophesies that concerned His arrival and resurrection.

Pauls Mid Acts Dispensation did away with circumcision

(Romans 4:9-11) [9] * Is * this blessedness then on the circumcision only, or on the uncircumcision also? For we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How then was it reckoned? Being in circumcision or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received a sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith * while still * uncircumcised; so that he might be * the * father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for righteousness to be imputed to them also;

(Galatians 2:11-12) [11] But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed * him * to his face, because he was to be blamed. [12] For before some came from James, he ate with the nations. But when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those of the circumcision.

notice you didn't quote Jesus doing away with circumcision

can you quote Jesus doing away with the law

Sure I can.
I'll go right to your second question, as Acts 2 is available to everyone reading this.
It is written..."And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:44-47)
No mention of the Law, or of circumcision, there...

that doesn't say anything about the Law , as the Law is still in effect

(John 1:29) The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation teaches the law is death to me and to walk by the spirit

Thanks be to God for His successful completion of that.

He didn't sin, but did "part from the Law" in cases where the Law hac nothing at all to do with sin.
Healing on the sabbath, for one.
Picking food on a sabbath, for another.

there was no law against any of those things you mentioned , jewish customs sure

Claiming He was the Son of God was a big one too.

no law against claiming to be the Son of God when you're the Son of God

He found it death for himself, but I really don't see him calling the Law death.
Thank goodness that after his narrative of failure trying to accomplish the Law, he answered all his laments in surrounding chapters.

(Romans 7:13) Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But sin, that it might appear to be sin, working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

(Romans 7:23-24) [23] but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin being in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am ! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

In a Pharisaic sense He did.
He healed on the Sabbath, which was "deemed" unLawfull.
He also gleaned grain on the sabbath.

no

Matt 12, Mark 2,3, Luke 6,13,14, John 5

ok chapters ,
now do verses ?

you want to pretend Abraham wasn't declared righteous by faith apart from works
Not at all, but if he had no proof of his faith, we wouldn't be talking about him now.

thank you for proving my point
you want to ignore the 1st covenant with Abraham where he was declared righteous apart from works by faith alone

You voice the confusion of the anti-works lobby.
When they fight against works, they are regretfully unaware that the "works" that have passed away are those of the Law of Moses.
They include everything from hearing and believing to repentance and baptism...much to their hurt.
Christians are free from the Mosaic Law and customs.
We are not free from loving one another and loving God with all our energy.

you're funny , you keep quoting keep the sumation of the law while telling us we are free from it

instead Mid Acts Dispensation
(Romans 8:1-2) [1] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [2] But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

I "will be" saved if I keep Jesus' two commandments.
If I fail to love God above anything else or fail to love my neighbor as I love myself, I won't be counted worthy of the kingdom of heaven.

you are saved so you can keep the law and if you don't you're not saved

Who cares.
Abrahams' faithfulness is fulfilled in all who love God with all their strength and their neighbor as they llve themselves.

like I said
you want to ignore the 1st covenant with Abraham where he was declared righteous apart from works by faith alone

I was hoping you would return to this.
Start a thread on Rom 7, and I will expound on it.

OK, we can do it here.

Answered in Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
The lamented, and the answered.

Answered in Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
The lament, and the answer.

Paul isn't in the flesh anymore, (Rom 7:5,18), since it was crucified and he was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

Pau as all Christians had to contend with the flesh until he departed to be with the Lord
you have to choose to walk by the spirit and if you fail to walk by the spirit God does't kick you out of his family

you on the otherhand tell everyone you keep the law perfectly and don't sin .

proselyte messianic Jew

I'm not sure what that would entail, but I am happy walking in the Spirit instead of in the flesh, so have no intention of going somewhere else.

circumcision and the law

Rebirth from God's seed is available to you, and all men, but it will require a real repentance from sin first.

you on the otherhand tell everyone you keep the law perfectly and don't sin . you deceive yourself

And, he had the proof of his belief.
Do we?

God is the witness that you don't believe
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

and after Abraham went to sacrifice his son did God declare him righteous for that act ?
did God say "because you were going to sacrifice your son I declare you righteous for that work " ?
Genesis 22

It i written..."And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.
15 And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." (Gen 22:10-18)
Cause and effect.

so that's a no

Abe believed and was counted righteous...and he proved his belief.

how did Abraham prove his belief in the 1st covenant ?
you've got nothing in the 1st covenant that Abraham proved his belief

Go, and do the same !

Jesus Christ is my Lord

I "will be" saved on the last day, if I remain faithfully obedient.
You?
Do you have to remain faithful obedient to be saved?

his faith is gift ,noun
(Hebrews 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
Faith is the hypostasis (substance) of things hoped for, so it is the means of our hypsotatic union with Christ.

(II Thessalonians 3:3) But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you and keep you from evil.

Thanks be to God !
Why can't you understand that faith will bring about works of faith?

I will not be saved until God says my name is in the book of life.
You are jumping ahead.
I am converted, from a lover of only self to a lover of others.

Are you preaching circumcision after all that about conversion without the works of the Mosaic Law?

before the The Law
you had
faith + circumcision
(Genesis 17:14) And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.

(Ephesians 2:8) For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
you say you're not saved by works but without works you're not saved

Without love, I will not be saved.

so adding love to works , so you need love and works and keep the some of the law

I choose to love, having already experienced life without love.

if you don't your not saved

Jesus specifically mentions Lazarus which makes it true which you didn't address

It doesn't matter.

sure it does , if Lazarus didn't esxist that would be a lie
(Luke 16:20) And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who was laid at his gate, full of sores

There is one gospel.
Jesus died for our sins and was raised from the grave on the third day.

which is why you don't like Mid Acts Dispensation
and Abraham's 1st covenant

Why?

so you don't look stupid

Nothing is permanent.
Ananias and Sapphira will testify of that.

seems like the law was still in effect then
then Mid Acts Dispensation

Before and after.
Paul's Rom 7 narrative of his laments while trying unsuccessfully to obey the Law of Moses, juxtaposed with Rom 6's freedom from what he later calls 'this body of death".

Paul bragged

(Philippians 3:5-6) [5] I was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews. As regards the Law, I was a Pharisee; [6] concerning zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness in the Law, blameless.

I can't revive what God has killed.

you're mistaken

you always have a choice
(Romans 6:4) Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised up from * the * dead by the glory of the Father; even so we also should walk in newness of life

Peter had a choice
(Galatians 2:11-14) [11] But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was to be blamed. [12] For before some came from James, he ate with the nations. But when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those of the circumcision. [13] And the rest of the Jews also dissembled with him, so as even Barnabas was led away with their dissembling. [14] But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you, being a Jew, live as a Gentile, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to judaize?

What works are you referring to?
Circumcision? No.
Sabbath keeping? No.
Feast keeping? No.
Tithing? No.
Dietary rules? No.
Sabbath limitations on travel? No.

so you consider all of those to be not loving towards God

Or are you talking about the ten commandments?
Christians don't commit murder, so maybe you see that as keeping a Law, while I see murder as an unnatural act like jumping off the roof and expecting to be able to fly.
Worshipping idols?
No, as that would necessitate a denial of my faith.
Theft?
No, as God knows what I need ahead of me knowing.
Is there some other wickedness you do allow so you can keep saying you are not doing any works of the Law?
How about providing a short list of iniquity you are allowed to do as a Christian?

like I said you have works and keep some of the law
and if you don't you're not saved


Mid Acts Dispensation

so James says "Abraham our father justified by works" so
according to James Abraham had a reason to boast but
Paul quotes Gen 15:6 "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." so no reason to boast

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

righteousness by faith not by works

Rom 4:20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God,
Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

 

[way 2 go]

It is just that, to all to whom it doesn't apply.

Jesus is the Word made flesh.
He is the Son of God.
He is the Redeemer of all who will submit to Him.
He is the sacrificial Lamb of God.

John refers to the Word as God, but John also refers to the Word by Himself. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)
What John wrote, is from God the Father.

Who do the MADs think Jesus is?

Jesus is God

notice you didn't say Jesus is God

 

[Hoping]

so what you're really saying is you get to define the law you want to keep
not the law Jesus summarized

Jesus defined the great commandment, in Matt 22:37-40..."Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
All the laws we converts are to keep are summarized in those two.

the law is not gone , it's for sinners.

It is gone for those who are "in Christ", as they don't commit sin since they have been reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)

so you don't believe what the bible says , seems to be a theme with you
(II Corinthians 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

I am also willing.
It is you inferring an instant "with God" at death concept.

(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Evidence is evidence.

(Matthew 22:40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
you preach keep some of the Law

Isn't loving God part of the new divine nature given to those reborn of God?
It is.
I don't look at what comes naturally as a Law, especially of Moses.
If we love God it is also easy to love our neighbors.
Which do you have problems doing?

Paul preaches walk by the spirit
(Romans 7:18-19) [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I do not find. [19] For I do not do the good that I desire; but the evil which I do not will, that I do.

And how to do it !

Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation did away with circumcision

I disagree, as Jesus beat him to the punch in the above Matt 22 verses.
Love God...love your neighbor...but I don't see anything at all about circumcision or even sabbath keeping.

notice you didn't quote Jesus doing away with circumcision

Matt 22.

that doesn't say anything about the Law , as the Law is still in effect

It doesn't say anything about the Law because the Law and prophets was fulfilled by Jesus.

(John 1:29) The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation teaches the law is death to me and to walk by the spirit

What does your scripture have to do with the fulfillment of the Law and prophets?

there was no law against any of those things you mentioned , jewish customs sure

Better check again.
Doing almost anything on the sabbath was punishable by the Law.

no law against claiming to be the Son of God when you're the Son of God

I guess you'd a had to be there.
The Pharisees didn't have the riches of hind-sight that we enjoy today.

(Romans 7:13) Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But sin, that it might appear to be sin, working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

"appear" to be sin working death in me."
Not actually killing him

(Romans 7:23-24) [23] but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin being in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am ! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

I love your use of scriptures to prove your point, but your POV is constrained by your doctrine.
Rom 7:23 was answered in Rom 8:2.
Rom 7:24 was answered in Rom 6:6

no

Yes.

ok chapters ,
now do verses ?

They are there when you get earnest.

thank you for proving my point
you want to ignore the 1st covenant with Abraham where he was declared righteous apart from works by faith alone

Not at all.
Abe was declared righteous for his faith in God.
Abe's later actions proved it too.

you're funny , you keep quoting keep the sumation of the law while telling us we are free from it

I serve a God that can present points on more than one level.

instead Mid Acts Dispensation
(Romans 8:1-2) [1] There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. [2] But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Hmmm.
One Law freeing us form another...interesting...eh?

you are saved so you can keep the law and if you don't you're not saved

I will not be saved if I don't love God or my neighbor.
Will you?

like I said
you want to ignore the 1st covenant with Abraham where he was declared righteous apart from works by faith alone

He was the presage of us.
We can prove that by being righteous.

Pau as all Christians had to contend with the flesh until he departed to be with the Lord

Paul told us what happened to the flesh at our water baptism into Christ and into His death and burial
It was destroyed. (Rom 6:3-6)

you have to choose to walk by the spirit and if you fail to walk by the spirit God does't kick you out of his family

If we are still walking in the flesh, we are not of His family.

you on the otherhand tell everyone you keep the law perfectly and don't sin .

Keep the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ perfectly...you know, that which freed us from the Law of sin and death, in Rom 8:2 ?

circumcision and the law
you on the otherhand tell everyone you keep the law perfectly and don't sin . you deceive yourself

See above.

God is the witness that you don't believe
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

God is the witness of everything.
I believe God, and that Abe was counted righteous for his faith.
Having the proof of his righteousness doesn't hurt the argument either.

so that's a no

It is written, in Gen 22:16..."And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:"

how did Abraham prove his belief in the 1st covenant ?
you've got nothing in the 1st covenant that Abraham proved his belief

Abe' didn't give up, did he?
He remained faithful...didn't he?

Jesus Christ is my Lord

Your Lord said to love God with all your heart, might, and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
He also made it possible to remain faithful in your efforts to obey.

his faith is gift ,noun
(Hebrews 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen
Faith is the hypostasis (substance) of things hoped for, so it is the means of our hypsotatic union with Christ.
(II Thessalonians 3:3) But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you and keep you from evil.

May God be praised for His wonderful promises !

before the The Law
you had
faith + circumcision
(Genesis 17:14) And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.

Before the Law, indeed.

so adding love to works , so you need love and works and keep the some of the law
if you don't your not saved

We don't need the works of the Law anymore.
Haven't you just posted a bunch of scrips saying that?

sure it does , if Lazarus didn't esxist that would be a lie

Maybe in your mind.

which is why you don't like Mid Acts Dispensation
and Abraham's 1st covenant

Because there is only one gospel?
You are not making any sense.

seems like the law was still in effect then
then Mid Acts Dispensation

Really?
If a man lies to the Holy Spirit, or lies at all, they were never converts in the first place.
The sinners were still under thee Law.

Paul bragged
(Philippians 3:5-6) [5] I was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews. As regards the Law, I was a Pharisee; [6] concerning zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness in the Law, blameless.

Thank God for not holding it against Paul, because he did his persecution in ignorance.

you're mistaken

I cannot revive what God has killed, in spite of your confidence in me.

you always have a choice
(Romans 6:4) Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised up from * the * dead by the glory of the Father; even so we also should walk in newness of life

I always have a choice, but like Abraham I choose to remain faithful.

Peter had a choice
(Galatians 2:11-14) [11] But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was to be blamed. [12] For before some came from James, he ate with the nations. But when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those of the circumcision. [13] And the rest of the Jews also dissembled with him, so as even Barnabas was led away with their dissembling. [14] But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you, being a Jew, live as a Gentile, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to judaize?

He had a choice, to please the visitors or remain where he was among the Gentiles.

so you consider all of those to be not loving towards God

You can do all of them to show you love God, but none of them are necessary for conversion to Christianity.
We can also pray, and fast, and study, and tell only the truth, and buy instead of steal...to show we love God and neighbor.

like I said you have works and keep some of the law
and if you don't you're not saved

Like Paul wrote in Gal 5:19-21..." Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Is Paul keeping the Law?
Or is he describing sinners who are not walking in the Spirit?

so James says "Abraham our father justified by works" so
according to James Abraham had a reason to boast but
Paul quotes Gen 15:6 "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." so no reason to boast

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
righteousness by faith not by works

Rom 4:20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God,
Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Thanks be to God for such a good example of faithful obedience.

 

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Jesus is God

notice you didn't say Jesus is God

As it is written in John 1, the Word was God.
Jesus was the Word.

 

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As it is written in John 1, the Word was God.
Jesus was the Word.

still didn't say Jesus is God
do you have an aversion to Jesus is God

 

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Jesus defined the great commandment, in Matt 22:37-40..."Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
All the laws we converts are to keep are summarized in those two.

the above is a summary of The Law and prophets which you don't keep
do you keep the sabbath ? that would be a commandment and obeying God

It is gone for those who are "in Christ", as they don't commit sin since they have been reborn of God's seed. (1 John 3:9)

why do want Christians to keep the law then ?

I am also willing.
It is you inferring an instant "with God" at death concept.

Jesus taught you still exist immediately after death as did Paul
(II Corinthians 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

you disagree without evidence it's your modis operandi

(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Evidence is evidence.

so you don't obey God

Isn't loving God part of the new divine nature given to those reborn of God?

still have a choice to walk by the spirit

It is.
I don't look at what comes naturally as a Law, especially of Moses.
If we love God it is also easy to love our neighbors.
Which do you have problems doing?

you just said you judge people by appearance
after Jesus told you not to.

Paul preaches walk by the spirit
(Romans 7:18-19) [18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwells no good thing. For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I do not find. [19] For I do not do the good that I desire; but the evil which I do not will, that I do.
And how to do it !

and you have to choose to walk by the spirit

I disagree, as Jesus beat him to the punch in the above Matt 22 verses.
Love God...love your neighbor..

you're wrong there is nothing in Mathew 22 doing away with circumcision ,
as that would have been a sin to tell people to disobey God before the cross

.but I don't see anything at all about circumcision or even sabbath keeping.

in Mathew 22 your right there is nothing there about doing away with circumcision or even sabbath keeping

notice you didn't quote a specific verse of Jesus doing away with circumcision
because you can't because Jesus didn't do away with circumcision

can you quote Jesus doing away with the law

Sure I can.
I'll go right to your second question, as Acts 2 is available to everyone reading this.
It is written..."And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:44-47)
No mention of the Law, or of circumcision, there...


It doesn't say anything about the Law because the Law and prophets was fulfilled by Jesus.

so why did you quote it ?

Mid Acts Dispensation explains what you cannot , you might want to look into it ,The Plot audio version

as JR said all is not been fulfilled

The other three have NOT been fulfilled.:

Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Booths

What does your scripture have to do with the fulfillment of the Law and prophets?

Jesus was the sacrifice for sin
(John 1:29) The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

, it was Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation that did away with the law for Christians Jews and Gentiles

He didn't sin, but did "part from the Law" in cases where the Law hac nothing at all to do with sin.
Healing on the sabbath, for one.
Picking food on a sabbath, for another.

Better check again.
Doing almost anything on the sabbath was punishable by the Law.

there was no law against any of those things you mentioned , jewish additions to the law

no law against claiming to be the Son of God when you're the Son of God

I guess you'd a had to be there.
The Pharisees didn't have the riches of hind-sight that we enjoy today.

you identify with the Pharisees

"appear" to be sin working death in me."
Not actually killing him

Paul physically died

The Law is knowledge of sin
the day they ate from the tree knowoledge of good and evil they died that day
(Genesis 2:17) but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.


Romans 7:13) Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be!
But sin, that it might appear to be sin,

working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

I love your use of scriptures to prove your point, but your POV is constrained by your doctrine.
Rom 7:23 was answered in Rom 8:2.
Rom 7:24 was answered in Rom 6:6

what you get from Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation you don't get from Peter James or John

Rom 7:23 was answered with
(Romans 7:24-25) [24] O wretched man * that * I * am *! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 6:6 is talking about spiritual death

you want to ignore the 1st covenant with Abraham where he was declared righteous apart from works by faith alone

Not at all.
Abe was declared righteous for his faith in God.

as are we
(Romans 4:1-5) [1] What then shall we say that our father Abraham has found, according to flesh? [2] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has a boast; but not before God. [3] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." [4] But to him working, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. [5] But to him not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Abe's later actions proved it too.

you agree with James and disagree with Paul

which is why there is a difference between Paul and James

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?


Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

I serve a God that can present points on more than one level.

they're called dispensations

Hmmm.
One Law freeing us form another...interesting...eh?

so why do you want to keep the law of sin and death ?

I will not be saved if I don't love God or my neighbor.
Will you?

yes
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

He was the presage of us.
We can prove that by being righteous.

righteousness by the law
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

Paul told us what happened to the flesh at our water baptism into Christ and into His death and burial
It was destroyed. (Rom 6:3-6)

flesh is not destroyed until physical death

(Romans 8:23) And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, awaiting adoption, the redemption of our body.

If we are still walking in the flesh, we are not of His family.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Keep the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ perfectly...you know, that which freed us from the Law of sin and death, in Rom 8:2 ?

wow you misread that
you can't keep the law perfectly
which is why it is by faith
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

God is the witness of everything.
I believe God, and that Abe was counted righteous for his faith.
Having the proof of his righteousness doesn't hurt the argument either.

Abraham had 2 covenants you want to pretend they were the same, they were not

we are under Mid Acts Dispensation

available to Jews but not through the Jews

as was the gospel that Jesus preached to the Jews only.

and after Abraham went to sacrifice his son did God declare him righteous for that act ?
did God say "because you were going to sacrifice your son I declare you righteous for that work " ?
Genesis 22

It is written, in Gen 22:16..."And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:"

so that's a no

how did Abraham prove his belief in the 1st covenant ?
you've got nothing in the 1st covenant that Abraham proved his belief

Abe' didn't give up, did he?
He remained faithful...didn't he?

in the 1st covenant ?

or are you confusing 2nd covenant with the 1st

1st
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

2nd
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Your Lord said to love God with all your heart, might, and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
He also made it possible to remain faithful in your efforts to obey.

back to :

"It is permanent, until you"

"commit adultery or steal from work"
"murder"
"drug abuse or child molesting"
fail to "Helping the old lady across the street"
"Stealing from the blind"

We don't need the works of the Law anymore.

you say we need works and some of the works you listed are of the law

sure it does , if Lazarus didn't esxist that would be a lie

Maybe in your mind.

so there is only evidence that Lazarus existed but I should believe you and your lack of evidence

Because there is only one gospel?
You are not making any sense.

Mid Acts Dispensation and Abraham's 1st covenant are alike

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Really?
If a man lies to the Holy Spirit, or lies at all, they were never converts in the first place.
The sinners were still under thee Law.

so you have examples of people lying to the Holy Spirit and dropping dead ?

Paul's Rom 7 narrative of his laments while trying unsuccessfully to obey the Law of Moses
Thank God for not holding it against Paul, because he did his persecution in ignorance.

Paul says he kept the law , try and keep up
Philippians 3:5-6) [5] I was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews. As regards the Law, I was a Pharisee; [6] concerning zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness in the Law, blameless

I always have a choice, but like Abraham I choose to remain faithful.

you need to make up your mind
you can't sin but you have a choice , can't be both

Peter had a choice
(Galatians 2:11-14) [11] But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was to be blamed. [12] For before some came from James, he ate with the nations. But when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those of the circumcision. [13] And the rest of the Jews also dissembled with him, so as even Barnabas was led away with their dissembling. [14] But when I saw that they did not walk uprightly with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before all, If you, being a Jew, live as a Gentile, and not as the Jews, why do you compel the nations to judaize?

He had a choice, to please the visitors or remain where he was among the Gentiles.

you don't even know what you believe

choice , no choice , you don't know

He had a choice, to please the visitors or remain where he was among the Gentiles.
or
Your Lord said to love God with all your heart, might, and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
He also made it possible to remain faithful in your efforts to obey.

What works are you referring to?
Circumcision? No.
Sabbath keeping? No.
Feast keeping? No.
Tithing? No.
Dietary rules? No.
Sabbath limitations on travel? No

You can do all of them to show you love God, but none of them are necessary for conversion to Christianity.

so you just admit these show love towards God
so if you don't do them you're not loving God with your whole heart

We can also pray, and fast, and study, and tell only the truth, and buy instead of steal...to show we love God and neighbor.

now it's "we can" , you teach we must or we are not saved

Like Paul wrote in Gal 5:19-21..." Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Is Paul keeping the Law?

no

Or is he describing sinners who are not walking in the Spirit?

(Galatians 5:19) Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness

Thanks be to God for such a good example of faithful obedience.

(Ephesians 3:1-2) [1] For this cause, I, Paul, am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you nations, [2] if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given to me toward you,

did any of the 12 say this ?

1Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

 

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still didn't say Jesus is God
do you have an aversion to Jesus is God

Jesus was the Word made flesh. (John 1:14)
The Word was God. (John 1:1)
How much clearer can scripture say it?
Can what I say over-rule scripture?

 

[Hoping]

the above is a summary of The Law and prophets which you don't keep

I am glad you understand Jesus there.

do you keep the sabbath ? that would be a commandment and obeying God

Agreed, it is a commandment from God, and I keep it every day as every day is the Lord's.

why do want Christians to keep the law then ?

Just Jesus' 2 commandments...or the Law of Christ.

Jesus taught you still exist immediately after death as did Paul
(II Corinthians 5:8) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

I don't agree.
Parables were stories used by the Lord to get a moral across, not to identify a single man.

you disagree without evidence it's your modis operandi

What evidence, and of what?

so you don't obey God

I do obey God.

still have a choice to walk by the spirit

Thank God, as we can now walk in the Spirit all the time.
Something the OT men could not do.

you just said you judge people by appearance
after Jesus told you not to.

Sorry your mind isn't as agile as mine.
If I see a smoker wearing a "the devil made me do it" t-shirt, it is obvious he is a hater of God.
Do you honestly think he is a carrier of the Spirit of God?

and you have to choose to walk by the spirit

A choice made easy by the divine nature we received at our rebirth from God's seed.

you're wrong there is nothing in Mathew 22 doing away with circumcision ,
as that would have been a sin to tell people to disobey God before the cross

Sorry you don't understand.
Jesus didn't mention circumcision, or even dietary rules, when he answered the man in Matt 19:16-21.

in Mathew 22 your right there is nothing there about doing away with circumcision or even sabbath keeping

Praise be to God for the freedom...eh?

notice you didn't quote a specific verse of Jesus doing away with circumcision
because you can't because Jesus didn't do away with circumcision

I didn't need to.

Mid Acts Dispensation explains what you cannot , you might want to look into it ,The Plot audio

I already explained it.

The other three have NOT been fulfilled.:
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Booths

Not being a student of the OT feasts, my lack of knowledge doesn't impact my walk in the Spirit now.
I am certainly glad the things concerning Jesus were fulfilled.

Jesus was the sacrifice for sin
(John 1:29) The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
, it was Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation that did away with the law for Christians Jews and Gentiles

Paul did a great job of illustrating what Jesus' life, death, and resurrection accomplished.

there was no law against any of those things you mentioned , jewish additions to the law

I don't agree, calling to mind the man picking up sticks on the Sabbath in the camp of Moses.
They killed him.

you identify with the Pharisees

Nah.

Paul physically died

Elaborate, please.

The Law is knowledge of sin
the day they ate from the tree knowoledge of good and evil they died that day
(Genesis 2:17) but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

The Law made sin really sinful.
Rom 7:13..."Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."

Romans 7:13) Then has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be!
But sin, that it might appear to be sin,
working death in me by that which is good; in order that sin might become exceedingly sinful by the commandment.

As I just quoted.

what you get from Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation you don't get from Peter James or John

Not so directly, thanks be to God.

Rom 7:23 was answered with
(Romans 7:24-25) [24] O wretched man * that * I * am *! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul is indeed thanking God for answering his plaint.
"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Rom 7:24 was answered in Rom 6:6.

Romans 6:6 is talking about spiritual death

I disagree.

as are we
(Romans 4:1-5) [1] What then shall we say that our father Abraham has found, according to flesh? [2] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has a boast; but not before God. [3] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." [4] But to him working, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. [5] But to him not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
you agree with James and disagree with Paul

Not even a little bit.
I agree with both.
Belief will translate to doing good works.

which is why there is a difference between Paul and James

Differnet subject matter.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?

Wasn't he?

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."

Obedience to God isn't something one boasts about, as it is done out of love, and fear of God.

they're called dispensations
so why do you want to keep the law of sin and death ?

I, like Paul, did want to; but I have been freed from them by the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

yes
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Not the result of the works of the Law.

righteousness by the law
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

Yep.

flesh is not destroyed until physical death

You don't believe Paul?
Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24 ?

(Romans 8:23) And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, awaiting adoption, the redemption of our body.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Amen to that.
The new creature awaits its new vessel.

wow you misread that
you can't keep the law perfectly
which is why it is by faith
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

LOL.
Don't forget the summary of the Law from earlier in your post.
Love God, Love your neighbor.
Freedom from the Law allows the doing of the summary of it..

Abraham had 2 covenants you want to pretend they were the same, they were not

R promises...agreed.

we are under Mid Acts Dispensation

You keep saying.

available to Jews but not through the Jews

Wasn't Jesus a Jew?

as was the gospel that Jesus preached to the Jews only.

That being "The kingdom is here !"

so that's a no

You should get someone to read Gen 22:16 to you because you are snot seeing what is printed.

in the 1st covenant ?
or are you confusing 2nd covenant with the 1st
1st
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
2nd
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
back to :

Thanks.

"It is permanent, until you"
"commit adultery or steal from work"
"murder"
"drug abuse or child molesting"
fail to "Helping the old lady across the street"
"Stealing from the blind"
you say we need works and some of the works you listed are of the law

I am saying if you are a new creature, James' works will be automatic.

so there is only evidence that Lazarus existed but I should believe you and your lack of evidence

You have no evidence, unless you are talking about the Lazarus who was with Martha and Mary.

Mid Acts Dispensation and Abraham's 1st covenant are alike
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Both are without the Mosaic Law, for sure.
One before, and one after.
Both have their requirements to be found faithful to God.
Faith and obedience.

so you have examples of people lying to the Holy Spirit and dropping dead ?

Ananias and Sapphira.

Paul says he kept the law , try and keep up
Philippians 3:5-6) [5] I was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews. As regards the Law, I was a Pharisee; [6] concerning zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness in the Law, blameless

Yes. He tried.
If he not had days of atonement his efforts would have been futile.

you need to make up your mind
you can't sin but you have a choice , can't be both

Why not?
Unfaithfulness is available to me in a thousands ways.
I choose to remain faithful.
And thanks be to the treasured gifts of God it is possible.

you don't even know what you believe
choice , no choice , you don't know

See above.

He had a choice, to please the visitors or remain where he was among the Gentiles.
or
Your Lord said to love God with all your heart, might, and strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
He also made it possible to remain faithful in your efforts to obey.

Neither of Peter's choices was a sin, so why label one choice a sin?

so you just admit these show love towards God
so if you don't do them you're not loving God with your whole heart

Were I trying to live under the Laws and customs of the Jews, my love for God and neighbor would dictate adherence to all that is written.
Jesus shortened the list of requirements.

now it's "we can" , you teach we must or we are not saved

Doesn't "can" sound better than "must" ?

no

Do you think he is doing any of those things that will prevent him from the kingdom of God ?
I don't.

(Galatians 5:19) Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness
(Ephesians 3:1-2) [1] For this cause, I, Paul, am the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you nations, [2] if you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given to me toward you,
did any of the 12 say this ?

Not much is written of "what they said".
Paul lays out far more rules of converted life than any of the other apostles.

1Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

Imitating Christ is far easier with someone like Paul setting a good example.
I suppose that is why faithfully obedient brethren are important in Christian life.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Me:

Not necessarily.

Generally speaking yes, but not if it's a Christian.



False.



To the people of the law.



Just because you cannot see a difference doesn't mean there isn't one, Hoping.

Fulfilling the law is not the same as fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law.



You seem to think that verse says something that it doesn't.

Read from verse 12:

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:12, 1 Corinthians 10:13 - New King James Version

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

www.biblegateway.com

"Beyond what you are able..."

In other words, God will not allow His own to be tempted with things they are not able to withstand. He provides a way to escape.

What it does NOT say, is that God will not let His own fall in their temptation.
What it does NOT say, is that God guarantees that His own WILL escape the temptation.



Duh.

Christians aren't identified as sinners, though they sin.



Manifestation of faith is not a requirement.



Indeed.



Not what I said.

If you could quit straw manning my arguments, that'd be great.



Supra, RE: 1 John 1:8.



Never said they were.



Good thing that's not what I said then.



Saying it doesn't make it so.



Those who were formerly thieves, adulterers, etc., who have placed their trust in Christ, are now identified in Him.

It doesn't mean they don't do those things anymore, it just means their identity is no longer those things, that they do not live the lifestyles of thieves, adulterers, etc.



There is nothing ludicrous about being identified in Christ.



You, Hoping. He will say it to you, if you do not repent and put your trust in Him, rather than in your works.

@Hoping:

Doesn't respond except to react to my post with :sad:.

Guess he ran out of steam with his arguments.

 

[way 2 go]

Jesus was the Word made flesh. (John 1:14)
The Word was God. (John 1:1)
How much clearer can scripture say it?
Can what I say over-rule scripture?

scripture doesn't have the exact words "Jesus is God"
and I'm not asking you to quote scripture
still didn't say Jesus is God
do you have an aversion to Jesus is God

 

[way 2 go]

I am glad you understand Jesus there.

too bad you don't

Agreed, it is a commandment from God, and I keep it every day as every day is the Lord's.

really , I don't believe you

(Exodus 20:8-11) [8] Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days you shall labor and do all your work. [10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. You shall not do any work, you nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger within your gates. [11] For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.

now you will from quote Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation but deny the change only came about with Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation

(Romans 14:5) One indeed esteems a day above another day; and another esteems every day alike . Let each one be fully assured in his own mind

Just Jesus' 2 commandments...or the Law of Christ.

(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

I don't agree.
Parables were stories used by the Lord to get a moral across, not to identify a single man.

he identified Lazarus which makes it true story which is how we know what happens at death
except now Christians go to be with the Lord

What evidence, and of what?

everything
you disagree without evidence it's your modis operandi

1 example Lazarus Luk 16:23 real person ,
your evidence Jesus told parables , so , the sky is blue
doesn't change the fact Lazarus is a real person

(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I do obey God.

you are told not to judge by appearance , what do you do , judge by appearance

Thank God, as we can now walk in the Spirit all the time.
Something the OT men could not do.

so ?
still have a choice to walk by the spirit

Sorry your mind isn't as agile as mine.
If I see a smoker wearing a "the devil made me do it" t-shirt, it is obvious he is a hater of God.
Do you honestly think he is a carrier of the Spirit of God?

so much for obeying God ,
(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

A choice made easy by the divine nature we received at our rebirth from God's seed.

still have a choice .
but not you , you must obey or else

"It is permanent, until you"

"commit adultery or steal from work"
"murder"
"drug abuse or child molesting"
fail to "Helping the old lady across the street"
"Stealing from the blind"

Sorry you don't understand.
Jesus didn't mention circumcision, or even dietary rules, when he answered the man in Matt 19:16-21.

so ?
do you know what a logical fallacy is ?
argument from absence is what you're trying , Jesus didn't do away with anything Mathew 19

(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

so have you sold all you have ?

(Matthew 19:21) Jesus said to him, If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in Heaven. And come, follow Me.

Praise be to God for the freedom...eh?

you're not free tho

I didn't need to.

sure you do , your contention Is Jesus did away with circumcision
Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation did away with circumcision

notice you didn't quote a specific verse of Jesus doing away with circumcision
because you can't because Jesus didn't do away with circumcision

(I Corinthians 7:18) * Was * any called having been circumcised? Do not be uncircumcised. Was anyone called in uncircumcision? Do not be circumcised.

Mid Acts Dispensation explains what you cannot

I already explained it.

no you didn't

Not being a student of the OT feasts, my lack of knowledge doesn't impact my walk in the Spirit now.
I am certainly glad the things concerning Jesus were fulfilled.

so its not all fulfilled

The other three have NOT been fulfilled.:
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Booths

Paul did a great job of illustrating what Jesus' life, death, and resurrection accomplished.

only Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation
has this

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Healing on the sabbath, for one.
Picking food on a sabbath, for another.

I don't agree, calling to mind the man picking up sticks on the Sabbath in the camp of Moses.
They killed him.

so ?
again
no law against healing on the sabbath
no law against eating on the sabbath

Nah.

you identify with the Pharisees , you're just trying to hide it

Elaborate, please.

Paul is no longer with us he is with the Lord

what you get from Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation you don't get from Peter James or John

Not so directly, thanks be to God.

not at all .thanks be to God for Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation

Paul is indeed thanking God for answering his plaint.
"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Rom 7:24 was answered in Rom 6:6.

you don't even know what we are talking about do you ?

Romans 6:6 is talking about spiritual death
I disagree.

you disagree without evidence
you're the authority now ?

Not even a little bit.
I agree with both.
Belief will translate to doing good works.

and you're back to works salvation

the dispensations are different ,I know you have mashed them together

Paul's ends at Abraham's first covenant and James begins at Abraham's second covenant with circumcision
you prefer James even tho you disobey

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,



Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"and he was called a friend of God.

Differnet subject matter.

you really don't see why Paul and James are looking at Abraham's 2 covenants
1st is of faith & 2nd is of works , specifically circumcision

you don't see that Jesus had a plan for the Jews to proselytize the world and salvation was to be through the Jews
(Zechariah 8:23) So says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, shall take hold, and will seize the skirt of a man, a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.




Paul preached the Body of Christ , Jesus preached the kingdom to the Jews
body of Christ started by Paul. the twelve do not use the term
"body of Christ"
Co_12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

you don't realize that instead of the Jews getting their kingdom the got cut off , and God turned to the gentiles through Paul
Rom 11:15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?


body of Christ started by Paul. the twelve do not use the term
"body of Christ"
Co_12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.


the twelve to the remaining kingdom & Paul to the gentiles

Gal_2:7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised

is the mystery still hidden to you
Eph 3:9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,

Don't forget the summary of the Law from earlier in your post.
Love God, Love your neighbor.
Freedom from the Law allows the doing of the summary of it..

no it just a summary not the whole book , you have to keep the whole law

if I said in my country we have some laws against speeding
because I don't mention any other laws then you think there must be no other laws ?

argument from absence is what you're trying

(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

You should get someone to read Gen 22:16 to you because you are snot seeing what is printed.

2nd covenant with circumcision

I am saying if you are a new creature, James' works will be automatic.

what YOU preach is if you don't have works you're not saved which is contrary to what Paul preached

Rom 4:20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God,
Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

You have no evidence, unless you are talking about the Lazarus who was with Martha and Mary.

noticed you named names of real people
different Lazarus by the way

Mid Acts Dispensation and Abraham's 1st covenant are alike
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Both are without the Mosaic Law, for sure.
One before, and one after.
Both have their requirements to be found faithful to God.
Faith and obedience.

no now your just being aggressively ignorant

both are by grace and faith alone
no works no matter how hard you try and force the 2nd covenant into the 1st covenant

Ananias and Sapphira.

Yes. He tried.
If he not had days of atonement his efforts would have been futile.

Why not?
Unfaithfulness is available to me in a thousands ways.
I choose to remain faithful.
And thanks be to the treasured gifts of God it is possible.

See above.

Neither of Peter's choices was a sin, so why label one choice a sin?

Were I trying to live under the Laws and customs of the Jews, my love for God and neighbor would dictate adherence to all that is written.
Jesus shortened the list of requirements.

Doesn't "can" sound better than "must" ?

Do you think he is doing any of those things that will prevent him from the kingdom of God ?
I don't.

Not much is written of "what they said".
Paul lays out far more rules of converted life than any of the other apostles.

Imitating Christ is far easier with someone like Paul setting a good example.
I suppose that is why faithfully obedient brethren are important in Christian life.

later

 

[Hoping]

scripture doesn't have the exact words "Jesus is God"
and I'm not asking you to quote scripture
still didn't say Jesus is God
do you have an aversion to Jesus is God

I'll stick with scripture.

 

[Hoping]

really , I don't believe you
(Exodus 20:8-11) [8] Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days you shall labor and do all your work. [10] But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. You shall not do any work, you nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger within your gates. [11] For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.

Be assured in your mind !

now you will from quote Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation but deny the change only came about with Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation

The change came about because the Lord did away with it.
Everyday was the Lord's to Jesus too.
Every day was holy and set apart for God.
Paul did write about it, to the glory of God.

(Romans 14:5) One indeed esteems a day above another day; and another esteems every day alike . Let each one be fully assured in his own mind

As I just wrote.

(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Not murdering, stealing, or committing adultery are all "love your neighbor as you love yourself".
One of the NT's laws of Christ.

he identified Lazarus which makes it true story which is how we know what happens at death
except now Christians go to be with the Lord

I see it differently.

everything
you disagree without evidence it's your modis operandi
1 example Lazarus Luk 16:23 real person ,
your evidence Jesus told parables , so , the sky is blue
doesn't change the fact Lazarus is a real person

See?
You are so caught up in a parable that you have lost sight of its moral.
That being...Get right with God now !

you are told not to judge by appearance , what do you do , judge by appearance

The spiritual man judges all things. (1 Cor 2:15)
Aren't you spiritual?

so ?
still have a choice to walk by the spirit

Thanks be to God.

so much for obeying God ,
(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The spiritual man judges all things. (1 Cor 2:15)

still have a choice .
but not you , you must obey or else

Is not obedience to God the natural inclination for those who have converted to Christianity?
Do you really think disobedience will get you to heaven?
Paul didn't think so, as Gal 5:19-21 makes very clear.
Eph. 5 outlines more commandments to adhere to.

"It is permanent, until you"
"commit adultery or steal from work"
"murder"
"drug abuse or child molesting"
fail to "Helping the old lady across the street"
"Stealing from the blind"

Like Paul wrote in Eph 5:6..."Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience."
Paul doesn't want us to be "children of disobedience".

so ?
do you know what a logical fallacy is ?
argument from absence is what you're trying , Jesus didn't do away with anything Mathew 19

What He didn't say was "to keep it".
Were it important to the man's salvation, don't you think Jesus would have mentioned it?

(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
so have you sold all you have ?

Yes.
You?

(Matthew 19:21) Jesus said to him, If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in Heaven. And come, follow Me.

No mention of circumcision, dietary rules, sabbath keeping, tithing, feast keeping, or anything else but loving your neighbor as you love yourself

you're not free tho

Would you recognize freedom if you saw it?

sure you do , your contention Is Jesus did away with circumcision
Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation did away with circumcision

"All praise to Paul"...again from you.
My Lord died on a cross, and He did away with the Old covenant by bringing in the New covenant.

notice you didn't quote a specific verse of Jesus doing away with circumcision
because you can't because Jesus didn't do away with circumcision

Provide one where He said circumcision was necessary.

(I Corinthians 7:18) * Was * any called having been circumcised? Do not be uncircumcised. Was anyone called in uncircumcision? Do not be circumcised.

Paul knew the Lord found it unnecessary.
Why don't you follow suit?

no you didn't
so its not all fulfilled

The other three have NOT been fulfilled.:
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Booths

What do these feasts have to do with Jesus ?

only Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation
has this
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

I like how Paul brings forth the Lord's testimony.
The Law is past, and love took its place...thanks be to God !

Gal 3:11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."
Gal 3:12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Amen !
Keep believing !

again
no law against healing on the sabbath
no law against eating on the sabbath
you identify with the Pharisees , you're just trying to hide it
Paul is no longer with us he is with the Lord
not at all .thanks be to God for Paul's Mid Acts Dispensation
you don't even know what we are talking about do you ?
you disagree without evidence
you're the authority now ?
and you're back to works salvation
the dispensations are different ,I know you have mashed them together
Paul's ends at Abraham's first covenant and James begins at Abraham's second covenant with circumcision
you prefer James even tho you disobey
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"and he was called a friend of God
you really don't see why Paul and James are looking at Abraham's 2 covenants
1st is of faith & 2nd is of works , specifically circumcision
you don't see that Jesus had a plan for the Jews to proselytize the world and salvation was to be through the Jews
(Zechariah 8:23) So says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, shall take hold, and will seize the skirt of a man, a Jew, saying, We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.
Paul preached the Body of Christ , Jesus preached the kingdom to the Jews
body of Christ started by Paul. the twelve do not use the term
"body of Christ"
Co_12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
you don't realize that instead of the Jews getting their kingdom the got cut off , and God turned to the gentiles through Paul
Rom 11:15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?
body of Christ started by Paul. the twelve do not use the term
"body of Christ"
Co_12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
the twelve to the remaining kingdom & Paul to the gentiles
Gal_2:7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised
is the mystery still hidden to you
Eph 3:9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,
no it just a summary not the whole book , you have to keep the whole law
if I said in my country we have some laws against speeding
because I don't mention any other laws then you think there must be no other laws ?
argument from absence is what you're trying
(Matthew 19:17-19) [17] And He said to him, Why do you call Me good? * There is * none good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He said to Him, Which? Jesus said, You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness, [19] honor your father and mother, and, you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
2nd covenant with circumcision
what YOU preach is if you don't have works you're not saved which is contrary to what Paul preached
Rom 4:20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God,
Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness."
Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
noticed you named names of real people
different Lazarus by the way
no now your just being aggressively ignorant
both are by grace and faith alone
no works no matter how hard you try and force the 2nd covenant into the 1st covenant

As the remainder of your post was just the same stuff again, I think I'll let it pass.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The spiritual man judges all things. (1 Cor 2:15)

But he doesn't do it based on appearance.

Do you really think disobedience will get you to heaven?

Because my faith is in Christ, nothing I do, good or bad, will affect the fact that God has given me eternal life.

What do these feasts have to do with Jesus ?

There were 4 other feasts that Jesus fulfilled. Feasts that were part of the Law.

The three W2G mentioned were NOT fulfilled, but WILL BE fulfilled when Christ returns.

Thus, the entire law has NOT been fulfilled, because at the very least, those three feasts, which were part of the law, have not been fulfilled.

 

[Hoping]

But he doesn't do it based on appearance.

Paul's "all things" of 1 Cor 2:15 means "all things".
Or have you rescinded your order of importance, and now Jesus is foremost on your mind?
Can't you tell if a man is a Christian, or not, by what he does, says, or wears?
To ignore obvious signs of hatefulness, is just being blind.

Because my faith is in Christ, nothing I do, good or bad, will affect the fact that God has given me eternal life.

You won't get that eternal life if you hate God or your neighbor.

There were 4 other feasts that Jesus fulfilled. Feasts that were part of the Law.

Cool.

The three W2G mentioned were NOT fulfilled, but WILL BE fulfilled when Christ returns.

Not being familiar with OT customs, I cannot comment on your findings.

Thus, the entire law has NOT been fulfilled, because at the very least, those three feasts, which were part of the law, have not been fulfilled.

As I wrote earlier, it was the foreshadows of Jesus that were fulfilled.
Not foreshadows of the final resurrection, not the foreshadow of the judgement of man, or any other foreshadow.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Paul's "all things" of 1 Cor 2:15 means "all things".

Do you not understand the difference between "judging all things" and "do not judge based on appearance"?

The two are not contradictory.

Judging an appearance is one thing. Judging BASED ON appearance is entirely another.

Why is this so hard to understand for you?

Or have you rescinded your order of importance, and now Jesus is foremost on your mind?

Loaded question.

Can't you tell if a man is a Christian, or not, by what he does, says, or wears?
To ignore obvious signs of hatefulness, is just being blind.

No, I cannot, because I cannot see his heart.

Neither can you, because you cannot.

You won't get that eternal life if you hate God or your neighbor.

What part of "no matter what I do, my eternal life is secure because I put my faith in Christ" do you not understand?

Not being familiar with OT customs, I cannot comment on your findings.

As I wrote earlier, it was the foreshadows of Jesus that were fulfilled.
Not foreshadows of the final resurrection, not the foreshadow of the judgement of man, or any other foreshadow.

Hypocrite.

Either you don't know enough, in which case you need to study your Bible more, or you DO know enough to try to comment on what I said.

Which is it?

Because Jesus DID NOT fulfill THREE of the SEVEN feasts that were part of the law.

Therefore, He could not have fulfilled the entire law, as you proport.

 

[Hoping]

Do you not understand the difference between "judging all things" and "do not judge based on appearance"?
The two are not contradictory.
Judging an appearance is one thing. Judging BASED ON appearance is entirely another.
Why is this so hard to understand for you?

Sure I understand it.
Some things are so hateful that an in depth analysis isn't necessary
Would you really have a hard time determining that a school shooter was not of God if he killed your kids?

Loaded question.

Just another question you will not answer.

No, I cannot, because I cannot see his heart.
Neither can you, because you cannot.

You've blinded yourself to reality.

What part of "no matter what I do, my eternal life is secure because I put my faith in Christ" do you not understand?

I don't understand false doctrines like that.

Hypocrite.
Either you don't know enough, in which case you need to study your Bible more, or you DO know enough to try to comment on what I said.
Which is it?
Because Jesus DID NOT fulfill THREE of the SEVEN feasts that were part of the law.
Therefore, He could not have fulfilled the entire law, as you proport.

After about twenty minutes of research, it really does look like Jesus did fulfill the presage of each of the seven.
So I will agree with Paul's Col 2:16-17 writings..."Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
The holy day were a shadow cast by Christ.
They're done.

If you want to open a thread dealing with what you consider unfulfilled presages, have at it.