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That is literally lunacy.
The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.
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Literal lunatic
Yer lookin' for the wrong kingdom.
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You're totally confused.
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Might I add that Peter also confirmed Paul's ministry:
2Pet 3:15-16 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:15) And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (3:16) As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Peter declares that Paul's epistles are scripture.
He turned her away and called her a dog. He helped her when she blessed Israel, likening herself to a dog compared to Israel.
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So simple and straightforward, but some prefer their "story" instead.
The end of the world?I've already experienced it.
It is long term, but for me, it has already come to pass.
Long term: I'm not the last one.
Or are you saying Jesus already returned to the earth?
If there are no Jews or Greeks in the body of Christ, who is in the body of Christ?
Both !!!!
We are all one in Him.
We just don't rely on our nationality for salvation anymore.
Is this your blessing of Israel?..."And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs." (Mark 7:28)
As Jesus wouldn't do any good for the unfaithful Jews either, it seems faith is independent of nationality.
Certainly wasn't because they were better.
They failed over and over just like the Gentiles nations did.
So one would need to envision another reason as to "why".
Throughout history, even before Israel was formed, there were Gentile believers.
And likewise, even after Israel was formed, there were Gentile believers without them having to become a member of the nation of Israel.
Jesus even tells the people of such instances, as the Gentile widow and Namaan (Luke 4:25-27).
So follow the patterns in scripture.
Mankind was exiled from the garden with the promise of a seed of salvation from the woman (Eve).
At the Tower of Babel mankind was exiled and scattered, but still a promise of a seed of salvation from the woman (Sarah).
Patterns in scripture tell us the plan was to reconcile all of mankind back to the true living God.
That would be done by the true living God coming as the seed that would dwell among mankind veiled in flesh.
And that seed was Christ, not Israel.
Israel is a failure as all nations have been.
Only by the true seed could any have salvation and be reconciled to God.
God used all nations, including Israel, for that to happen.
Does that mean the God would no longer keep His promise that the 12 sons of Jacob would be a great nation?
No more than God's promise that the 12 sons of Ishmael would as well.
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Did someone suggest any such thing?
Indeed, humans are sinful by nature. That's why we need a new nature.
What does the scripture say?
Indeed.
You seem to think that I'm knocking believing gentiles.
Again, did anyone suggest that the savior was Israel?
In the past and currently, but in the future that gets fixed by God.
So was there no reason to separate Israel from other people?
So you cannot tell the difference between Israel and other people (before and after the dispensation of the grace of God)?
Still silent on this?
Rev 21:24-27 (AKJV/PCE)
(21:24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (21:25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. (21:26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. (21:27) And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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Nothing in my post said they did.
Nothing in my post said you did.
Nothing in my post said they did.
All nations get fixed by God.
Nothing in my post says I said that.
All needed the same Savior.
Doesn't mean one cannot tell the difference between an Israeli, or a Greek, or an American, etc.
And?
The OT prophets sill said that when Jews return they would be accompanied by Gentiles.
It happens for both because God wants them all.
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So again I must ask. If it's always the same in all regards for Jews and gentiles, why did God separate Israel from other people?
To prove to all the world that He was the faithful one and would keep His word from beginning to end to reconcile all back to Him.
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Another vague dodge.
Someday, when you would like to actually discuss... Let me know.
What's vague about it?
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Isn't this the answer, which Tam has already provided?
The flesh Christ was veiled in, was Israelite (Judahite) flesh. By the time of Christ there were already lost tribes, but not Judah, not yet. Judah's lost now, along with all the other ones, in spite of what people with the surname "Cohen" and "Levi" might tell you, genetically all the tribes are smeared together into one "race" or ethnicity. But in those days Benjamin, Judah and Zadok (Levi) were still separate.
iow Judah isn't separated from the rest of Israel anymore. Israel was separated so that Christ would become Judahite flesh. I think that's what Tam said, why is that not the answer?
It doesn't answer the question.
Just because Christ is the Seed doesn't answer the question as to why God separated out a nation for Himself.
Could not Christ have come from any nation, according to your reasoning?
Why specifically the nation of Israel?
The question then becomes, "why was Israel separated so that Christ would becocme 'Judahite flesh'?"
What was the purpose BEHIND that reason?
Because it doesn't actually provide solid reason.
Why did Jesus need to be "Judahite flesh"?
Idolater
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Yes it does.
He could not just all of a sudden come from out of nowhere.
Why did God choose Abraham?
Supra.
Yes it does.
Why did God choose Abraham?
Saying it doesn't make it so.
So why the need to have Him be from a specific nation, one that God separated from all the others?
You tell us. That's what we're asking you.
Supra.
Supra.