Paul did not write Hebrews; we do not know who did

marke

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That's because you are stubbornly clinging to Churchianity.

If you do not know who the twelve tribes of Israel are, you have a lot to learn.

Acts 11:19 (AKJV/PCE)
(11:19) ¶ Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

That you have "never seen" something is irrelevant. Read the BIBLE.
Are you trying to convince me there are tribes of Jews that are Christians but who do not fellowship with Gentile Christians? Are any of these special classes of Christians worshipping in their unique churches in America today?
 

marke

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They were actually healing people... ALL of the people.

Acts 5:14-16 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:14) And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) (5:15) Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid [them] on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. (5:16) There came also a multitude [out] of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

You have so much to learn.
Did any of these unusual 12 tribes Christian churches exist past the first century?
 

Idolater

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I'm not convinced. Are these 12 tribes Christians or Jews or both? Did they meet in assemblies of believers like Christians but separate from Christians? I have never seen any historical writings that support the idea that believing Jews had separate churches from Christians from Christian churches.
Of course you haven't, because there aren't any, because it didn't happen.
 

Idolater

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Did any of these unusual 12 tribes Christian churches exist past the first century?
Conveniently not. It sure is easy to promote a lie when part of the story is that all the evidence is gone.
 

Right Divider

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Did any of these unusual 12 tribes Christian churches exist past the first century?
What's with the bizarre terminology? What's "unusual" about the 12 tribes of ISRAEL?

There was a time (before the body of Christ) where there was the 12 tribes of Israel (to which God had a relationship) and the gentiles (which God had abandoned to their own evil).

Then, Israel rejected God completely (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and therefore, God stopped His dealings with them and started something NEW (i.e., a NEW creature). That is where we are TODAY. In the future, God will remove the body of Christ from earth and begin dealing with Israel and the gentiles again.

It's all in the Bible, you should read and study about it.
 
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marke

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What's with the bizarre terminology? What's "unusual" about the 12 tribes of ISRAEL?

There was a time (before the body of Christ) where there was the 12 tribes of Israel (to which God had a relationship) and the gentiles (with God had abandoned to their own evil).

Then, Israel rejected God completely (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and therefore, God stopped His dealings with them and started something NEW (i.e., a NEW creature). That is where we are TODAY. In the future, God will remove the body of Christ from earth and begin dealing with Israel and the gentiles again.

It's all in the Bible, you should read and study about it.
There was no Christian church before Pentacost. There were no Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the OT. I don't believe there were any Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the NT.
 

Hoping

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In the body of Christ there is NEITHER Jew NOR Greek.
James as not a member of the body of Christ, he was a member of the nation of Israel. James explicitly writes his epistle TO THE TWELVE TRIBES. So clear that you cannot miss it, but apparently you do.
Just as there are no Jews or Greeks in the body of Christ, so too there are no males or females, bond nor free.
Their understanding of the body of Christ must make them wonder who IS in it?
 

Hoping

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There was no Christian church before Pentacost. There were no Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the OT. I don't believe there were any Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the NT.
There was a church, but nobody was called a Christian till some years later.
"Christian" was simply a new name for a still young church.
All those in Christ are one.
 

Idolater

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There was no Christian church before Pentacost. There were no Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the OT. I don't believe there were any Christian churches of the 12 tribes in the NT.
There weren't even 12 tribes then. Judah was still distinct (Judah had to be distinct in order for Christ to be of the tribe of Judah), but like nine of them we gone (they all dissolved into each other and became the Samaritans) by then. The closest thing to a church of the 12 tribes were the 12 Apostles themselves, as representatives of the 12 tribes.
 

marke

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The "church" at Pentecost was the believing nation of Israel.

What about the "church in the wilderness"?

You are incredibly confused and impossible to communication with.
The church in the wilderness was the collective body of believers among the OT Jews. I do not believe there are two churches in the NT, one composed of Jewish Christians, and one composed of Gentile Christians.
 

Right Divider

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There weren't even 12 tribes then. Judah was still distinct (Judah had to be distinct in order for Christ to be of the tribe of Judah), but like nine of them we gone (they all dissolved into each other and became the Samaritans) by then. The closest thing to a church of the 12 tribes were the 12 Apostles themselves, as representatives of the 12 tribes.
Just because the kingdom was split does NOT mean that the number of tribes was not still 12.

The divided kingdom will be rejoined in the future, once God removes the body of Christ from earth and begins dealing with Israel again.

Ezek 37:15-20 (AKJV/PCE)
(37:15) ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, (37:16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: (37:17) And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. (37:18) ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these? (37:19) Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. (37:20) ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
 
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marke

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I agree with this quote from your article:

The Prophetic Rise of Israel

The scripture is very specific to address the issue of Israel’s return. For in the same statement that we are told of Israel’s fall, we are told of their future return.

“Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” – Romans 11:12
“And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:” – Romans 11:26
It is clear that at some future time, God will restore Israel and fulfill the prophecies concerning their rise and earthly dominion under God. But it will not occur until this age of grace, wherein there is no national distinction before God, is complete.
 

Hoping

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Yes, although there is Matthew 18:17 so the oneness is spiritual when it's not visible and physical.
Agreed, although Matt 18:17 is dealing with those who are not of the church..
If that man won't listen to the church, he isn't of the church.
This was also before the time when we could actually be "in Christ".
So there was still no "body" of Christ/church.
 
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