Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

Clete

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Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis Post COVID-19 Vaccination​

From the first paragraph of that paper...

"This case demonstrates an extremely rare complication to the COVID-19 vaccine. The benefits of receiving the COVID-19 outweigh the potential risk. "

and the paper concludes with this...

"CONCLUSIONS

This instance highlights an extremely rare vaccine consequence. But the benefits greatly outweigh the risks in the present circumstances, therefore there should be no hesitation among the community to seek vaccination. Therefore, as we report this case, we emphasize the rarity of the occurrence of this side effect, and given the circumstances, this should not influence the decision of taking the vaccine, nor add to the misconceptions out there. In our case, we explained the pathophysiology behind the development of toxic epidermal necrolysis secondary to vaccination and we highlighted the successfulness of eternacept as a safe and fast treatment of this condition."

This paper was about a singular case. ONE SINGLE CASE!!!! Talk about cherry picking data!
 

marke

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Now compare hospitalizations/deaths between most/least vaxxed states.
If fully vaccinated individuals with covid occupy more hospital beds than non-vaccinated covid patients, then what conclusion can we draw? Can we say the fully vaccinated individuals are in greater danger of getting covid than are non-vaccinated individuals? If not, then why not?

Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60, Channel 12 news reported Sunday, citing Health Ministry figures.
According to the report, 24 of those in serious condition are unvaccinated, while 37 are fully vaccinated. The lone seriously ill fully vaccinated person under 60 was in the 50-59 age group.
 

marke

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From the first paragraph of that paper...

"This case demonstrates an extremely rare complication to the COVID-19 vaccine. The benefits of receiving the COVID-19 outweigh the potential risk. "

and the paper concludes with this...

"CONCLUSIONS

This instance highlights an extremely rare vaccine consequence. But the benefits greatly outweigh the risks in the present circumstances, therefore there should be no hesitation among the community to seek vaccination. Therefore, as we report this case, we emphasize the rarity of the occurrence of this side effect, and given the circumstances, this should not influence the decision of taking the vaccine, nor add to the misconceptions out there. In our case, we explained the pathophysiology behind the development of toxic epidermal necrolysis secondary to vaccination and we highlighted the successfulness of eternacept as a safe and fast treatment of this condition."

This paper was about a singular case. ONE SINGLE CASE!!!! Talk about cherry picking data!
One paper deals with one covid case. What can we conclude about other cases from that one case? Practically nothing at all. For those, like Hank Aaron and Jesse Jackson, who get covid and/or die after being vaccinated, will the government take responsibility to pay damages to the survivors and relatives for the damage from the covid shot?
 

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One paper deals with one covid case. What can we conclude about other cases from that one case? Practically nothing at all. For those, like Hank Aaron and Jesse Jackson, who get covid and/or die after being vaccinated, will the government take responsibility to pay damages to the survivors and relatives for the damage from the covid shot?
"What can we conclude about other cases from that one case? Practically nothing at all. "

That's exactly the point I made and precisely the opposite of the point he was making when he posted the link to the paper. All he wanted to do was to get people to click the link, see a bunch of scary pictures and freak out about how dangerous the vaccine was. There was no mention from him about the fact that it was ONE SINGLE CASE nor a syllable about how the paper itself repeatedly stressed how exceedingly rare that complication is. In short, it was a lie. He was propaganda the likes of which Hitler himself would have been proud of.

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marke

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"What can we conclude about other cases from that one case? Practically nothing at all. "

That's exactly the point I made and precisely the opposite of the point he was making when he posted the link to the paper. All he wanted to do was to get people to click the link, see a bunch of scary pictures and freak out about how dangerous the vaccine was. There was no mention from him about the fact that it was ONE SINGLE CASE nor a syllable about how the paper itself repeatedly stressed how exceedingly rare that complication is. In short, it was a lie. He was propaganda the likes of which Hitler himself would have been proud of.

Clete
There is no denying the fact that thousands of poor souls have died within days of being vaccinated. Denying the connection is like denying a person who died of a drug overdose died because of the overdose.
 

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There is no denying the fact that thousands of poor souls have died within days of being vaccinated. Denying the connection is like denying a person who died of a drug overdose died because of the overdose.
Of course, yes there is denying it. There is actually very little evidence that tells us anything about the number of such deaths that had anything to do with the shot they received. A point that has been made here before and that you have routinely ignored and/or responded to by simply repeating this particular lie.

And yes, Marke, it is a lie! It is INTENTIONALLY deceptive! Even if every single one of those deaths were directly caused by the shot (which we know for a fact is NOT the case), it would still pale in comparison to the number of people who DID NOT die of COVID because of that same shot. No matter how you slice it, the vaccines are VASTLY safer than the virus! That is not only true but YOU KNOW its true and are here to deceive everyone into being so scared of the vaccine that they forget to be scared of the virus. It's idiot, it's dishonest and its dangerous. You very flatly aught to be ashamed of yourself.

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marke

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Of course, yes there is denying it. There is actually very little evidence that tells us anything about the number of such deaths that had anything to do with the shot they received. A point that has been made here before and that you have routinely ignored and/or responded to by simply repeating this particular lie.

And yes, Marke, it is a lie! It is INTENTIONALLY deceptive! Even if every single one of those deaths were directly caused by the shot (which we know for a fact is NOT the case), it would still pale in comparison to the number of people who DID NOT die of COVID because of that same shot. No matter how you slice it, the vaccines are VASTLY safer than the virus! That is not only true but YOU KNOW its true and are here to deceive everyone into being so scared of the vaccine that they forget to be scared of the virus. It's idiot, it's dishonest and its dangerous. You very flatly aught to be ashamed of yourself.

Clete
The mRNA drug proponents claim the covid shots have been proven safe and effective, yet public records paint a different picture. Hillary Clinton may think the deaths of 4 American heroes is insignificant, and Biden may think the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans and allies in Afghanistan are insignificant, but anyone claiming twenty thousand deaths and hundreds of thousands of serious injuries from the covid shot are insignificant is off his rocker.
The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, and they are now reporting 20,595 fatalities, and 1,960,607 injuries, following COVID-19 injections.
A Health Impact News subscriber from Europe reminded us that this database maintained at EudraVigilance is only for countries in Europe who are part of the European Union (EU), which comprises 27 countries.
The total number of countries in Europe is much higher, almost twice as many, numbering around 50. (There are some differences of opinion as to which countries are technically part of Europe.)
So as high as these numbers are, they do NOT reflect all of Europe. The actual number in Europe who are reported dead or injured due to COVID-19 shots would be much higher than what we are reporting here.
The EudraVigilance database reports that through July 31, 2021 there are 20,595 deaths and 1,960,607 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (968,870) are serious injuries.
 

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The mRNA drug proponents claim the covid shots have been proven safe and effective, yet public records paint a different picture.
Lie!

Marke is a liar! He know for a fact that this is false because unless to too stupid to breath, everyone knows that something like 70% of the adult population of the United States and a huge percentage of the civilized world has gotten this shot will very little (statistically speaking) ill effect.
 

marke

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Lie!

Marke is a liar! He know for a fact that this is false because unless to too stupid to breath, everyone knows that something like 70% of the adult population of the United States and a huge percentage of the civilized world has gotten this shot will very little (statistically speaking) ill effect.
Is that good news? 70% of Americans will accede to government demands to get the covid shot and only a small percentage, by comparison, will get sick or die from the shot? How many deaths or serious injuries from the covid shot will finally become a "significant" number in the eyes of democrat oligarchs?

The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, and they are now reporting 20,595 fatalities, and 1,960,607 injuries, following COVID-19 injections.
A Health Impact News subscriber from Europe reminded us that this database maintained at EudraVigilance is only for countries in Europe who are part of the European Union (EU), which comprises 27 countries.
The total number of countries in Europe is much higher, almost twice as many, numbering around 50. (There are some differences of opinion as to which countries are technically part of Europe.)
So as high as these numbers are, they do NOT reflect all of Europe. The actual number in Europe who are reported dead or injured due to COVID-19 shots would be much higher than what we are reporting here.
The EudraVigilance database reports that through July 31, 2021 there are 20,595 deaths and 1,960,607 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (968,870) are serious injuries.
 

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Is that good news? 70% of Americans will accede to government demands to get the covid shot and only a small percentage, by comparison, will get sick or die from the shot? How many deaths or serious injuries from the covid shot will finally become a "significant" number in the eyes of democrat oligarchs?
There was no government demand that anyone acceded to. It was made available and people wanted to go get it so they did and far few people are dead today because of it.
 

marke

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There was no government demand that anyone acceded to. It was made available and people wanted to go get it so they did and far few people are dead today because of it.
About half of all Americans have gotten the shot. bout half of those now sick with covid had taken the shot like Jesse Jackson and his wife had. How does that help us tell if the shots protecting people from covid or not?
 

marke

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reality is the vax is not working in Israel

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Immunity from covid obtained by recovery from covid is far superior to sadly hoped for immunity from covid falsely promised to those who get the shot.

Pfizer vaccine recipients seven times more likely to get symptomatic Delta than recoverers (people with “natural immunity”) - Israeli data (Guardian, 8/27/21)
 

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Immunity from covid obtained by recovery from covid is far superior to sadly hoped for immunity from covid falsely promised to those who get the shot.

Pfizer vaccine recipients seven times more likely to get symptomatic Delta than recoverers (people with “natural immunity”) - Israeli data (Guardian, 8/27/21)

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“Bloomberg reports that early data from Israel shows that people who recovered from Covid may face a significantly lower risk from the Delta Covid variant than those fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech jab.
 

Clete

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About half of all Americans have gotten the shot. bout half of those now sick with covid had taken the shot like Jesse Jackson and his wife had. How does that help us tell if the shots protecting people from covid or not?
It might be about half if you count small children. It's more like 70 percent of adults and that number does not account for the people with natural immunity.

And there are several ways to know how much it helps. In fact that very number you cite are discovered in a similar way. How is it that you can believe a number like 50% of Americans have been vaccinated but don't believe numbers about the vaccines effectiveness? Statistics done well can tell you a very great deal about such things, which you know full well!
 

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Immunity from covid obtained by recovery from covid is far superior to sadly hoped for immunity from covid falsely promised to those who get the shot.

Pfizer vaccine recipients seven times more likely to get symptomatic Delta than recoverers (people with “natural immunity”) - Israeli data (Guardian, 8/27/21)
This is faulty logic that I am firmly convinced at this point is entirely intentional.

Because natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine, doesn't mean that the vaccine is ineffective, which Marke here is clearly implying.
The Pfizer vaccine is about 90% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID19 (i.e. that number includes all known variants). In fact, the vaccines probably are affording the public herd immunity at this point against everything COVID except the Delta variant which accounts for something like 98-99% of new cases in the United States and England. All the other variants are all but gone - thanks to the Phizer, Moderna and Johson and Johnson vaccines as well as natural immunity. The vast majority of new cases are people who did not get the vaccine. 99.5% of all those who have died of COVID since January have been unvaccinated.


According to an analysis carried out by Public Health England, two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine appeared to be about 88 percent effective against symptomatic disease and 96 percent effective against hospitalization with the Delta variant.​
The same study suggested that the vaccine was approximately 80 percent effective against preventing infection from the Delta variant. Scientists came to this conclusion after analyzing 14,019 people with an infection, 166 of whom were hospitalized, in England.​
Vaccines had a protective effect against infections with Delta and hospital cases were milder, the study found.​
Public Health England also shared real-world data in May that solidified the importance of having a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine. The analysis suggested that a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine offered only about 33 percent protection against symptomatic disease.​
This was a reduction from the previous 50 percent effectiveness estimated against the alpha variant.​
The study also found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 88 percent effective against the Delta variant 2 weeks after the second dose.​
 

marke

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It might be about half if you count small children. It's more like 70 percent of adults and that number does not account for the people with natural immunity.

And there are several ways to know how much it helps. In fact that very number you cite are discovered in a similar way. How is it that you can believe a number like 50% of Americans have been vaccinated but don't believe numbers about the vaccines effectiveness? Statistics done well can tell you a very great deal about such things, which you know full well!
How few must the number of bad reactions to the covid shot be before the government will be justified in forcing Americans to get the shot against their will? If Americans can be immunized from covid by taking the shot then why are they so hell-bent on forcing others to get the shot if refusing the shot harms only themselves? Don't take away an individual's right to make decisions concerning his own body. Just encourage everyone else to get the shot and everyone will be happy.
 
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