The time has come...

[Clete]

Take the data cherry-picked to prove a point that was predetermined?

Nope

Give me the raw data set. I'll make it say anything you want.

Yeah, just as I thought. You can't do it. I knew that you'd never even bother to make an attempt because you knew that you had said was a lie when you typed it. If what you're suggesting here were true then science would be meaningless and useless. Sure people can lie but that doesn't mean the evidence (data) does.

The data used in those charts is not "cherry picked". It's as straight forward as can be. Its simply cumulative infections over time after getting those shots. The people got the real shot showed very significantly less infection than those who got a placebo. You might want to pretend that you have the ability to make those numbers say something else but you're full of it. It wouldn't matter how you presented it. The data is the data. The shots work for at least several months and that a fact - period.

And while break through cases are clearly on the rise, they are not so much so that they are the drivers of this current surge in the Delta variant. The increase in current cases is being driven by those who listen to folks like you and the other fear mongers on this thread and then don't go get the very effective vaccine that, while not COMPLETELY harmless, is certainly far less harmful than the disease it prevents.

Clete

 

[Clete]

The US government claims the covid vaccines have been tested and have been proven effective. They lied. The vaccines have now been proven to be ineffective over time, needing additional booster shots indefinitely, and still unable to protect people from getting covid. The mRNA is not a vaccine. It is a gene-altering experimental drug developed through extensive use of fetal tissues from dead aborted babies.

Do you ever actually respond to the things people say or are you only hear to spread your fear mongering propaganda lies?

 

[Clete]

You mined them - so they are yours. Other charts you failed to mine are more accurate.

Liar.

Do have any idea how to refute an actual argument or is mindlessly repetitive lying your only mode?

 

[Clete]

it's the lies that hurt , no prevention here.

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That chart doesn't say anything about a lack of prevention.

No one is denying that there is a surge of new cases going on. Find a chart of people in Israel (or anywhere else for that matter) that compares infection rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. That would be a relevant chart.

 

[marke]

Do you ever actually respond to the things people say or are you only hear to spread your fear mongering propaganda lies?

Stop calling me a liar. If you think thousands of people have not died as a result of the mandated covid shot or that hundreds of thousands have no been made sick by the shot then post the evidence you think disproves what I have posted and referenced from publicly available sources.

 

[marke]

Liar.

Do have any idea how to refute an actual argument or is mindlessly repetitive lying your only mode?

If two different reports (charts) conflict then one or both sources are in error. I do not support a pre-conceived notion. I support the evidence which seems the most consistent and logical.

 

[Clete]

Stop calling me a liar.

Stop lying.

 

[Clete]

If two different reports (charts) conflict then one or both sources are in error. I do not support a pre-conceived notion. I support the evidence which seems the most consistent and logical.

Talk talk talk.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

 

[way 2 go]

That chart doesn't say anything about a lack of prevention.

No one is denying that there is a surge of new cases going on. Find a chart of people in Israel (or anywhere else for that matter) that compares infection rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. That would be a relevant chart.

not the best but they don't want you to know


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[marke]

Stop lying.

I cannot stop liars from falsely calling me a liar.

 

[Clete]

I cannot stop liars from falsely calling me a liar.

You think you're clever but the thread is all still here for the whole world to read, Marke.

I've made arguments, you've made claims. I refute, you simply repeat yourself until you find something else you know is false to say.

 

[Clete]

not the best but they don't want you to know

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There are only two classes of people in the entire world. Those who have been fully vaccinated and those who have not been fully vaccinated.

Please explain how the only two classes of people who exist can add up to a total of 11.97% of those who have tested positive. Where are are the other 88.03% of the people who tested positive?

Of course I know the answer. The rhetorical question is intended to demonstrate how this presentation is designed to trick people into thinking things are worse than they actually are. This presentation ignores the difference in the size of the two classes. It ignores the difference in the number of tests given to each class. It ignores the fact that a positive test does equal an actual case of the disease (i.e. It ignores the actual number of vaccinated people who get sick vs the number unvaccinated people who get sick - and how severely). It ignores the difference in the number of deaths in each class. Etc, etc.

In short it ignores all the important information.

The fact is that published, scientific, double blind, placebo controlled studies of these vaccines PROVE that they are both safe and very very effective. The Phizer shot is more than 90% effective at preventing cases of symptomatic delta variant COVID disease for at least 6 - 8 months.

Clete

 

[marke]

You think you're clever but the thread is all still here for the whole world to read, Marke.

I've made arguments, you've made claims. I refute, you simply repeat yourself until you find something else you know is false to say.

Your arguments are not as irrefutable as you think.

 

[marke]

There are only two classes of people in the entire world. Those who have been fully vaccinated and those who have not been fully vaccinated.

Please explain how the only two classes of people who exist can add up to a total of 11.97% of those who have tested positive. Where are are the other 88.03% of the people who tested positive?

Of course I know the answer. The rhetorical question is intended to demonstrate how this presentation is designed to trick people into thinking things are worse than they actually are. This presentation ignores the difference in the size of the two classes. It ignores the difference in the number of tests given to each class. It ignores the fact that a positive test does equal an actual case of the disease (i.e. It ignores the actual number of vaccinated people who get sick vs the number unvaccinated people who get sick - and how severely). It ignores the difference in the number of deaths in each class. Etc, etc.

In short it ignores all the important information.

The fact is that published, scientific, double blind, placebo controlled studies of these vaccines PROVE that they are both safe and very very effective. The Phizer shot is more than 90% effective at preventing cases of symptomatic delta variant COVID disease for at least 6 - 8 months.

Clete

I have not seen proof that thousands of people did not die from the covid shot or that hundreds of thousands of people were not made seriously ill from the covid shot.

20,595 Dead 1.9 Million Injured (50% Serious) Reported in European Union’s Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 Shots - Global Research

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the “Translate Website” drop down menu on the top banner of our home page (Desktop version). Visit and follow us on Instagram at @crg_globalresearch. *** The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is...

www.globalresearch.ca

The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, and they are now reporting 20,595 fatalities, and 1,960,607 injuries, following COVID-19 injections.
A Health Impact News subscriber from Europe reminded us that this database maintained at EudraVigilance is only for countries in Europe who are part of the European Union (EU), which comprises 27 countries.
The total number of countries in Europe is much higher, almost twice as many, numbering around 50. (There are some differences of opinion as to which countries are technically part of Europe.)
So as high as these numbers are, they do NOT reflect all of Europe. The actual number in Europe who are reported dead or injured due to COVID-19 shots would be much higher than what we are reporting here.
The EudraVigilance database reports that through July 31, 2021 there are 20,595 deaths and 1,960,607 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (968,870) are serious injuries.

 

[Clete]

Your arguments are not as irrefutable as you think.

Then by all means refute them!!!

Good god, man! What are we even here for if not to actually debate!

Make the arguments, if you can! The fact that you refuse to do so is only so much evidence that you know your position is flat out nonsense.

 

[Clete]

I have not seen proof that thousands of people did not die from the covid shot or that hundreds of thousands of people were not made seriously ill from the covid shot.

There are hundred of millions of people who got that shot and did not die, Marke. Pretty nearly everyone you know has gotten the shot and didn't die from it.

And no one has deny that there have been people die shortly after having gotten the shot but there has been no arguments made that substantiate what number of those people die BECAUSE of the shot.

What is that, the tenth time I've made that point in this thread?

Are you EVER going to address it or do you plan to just keep on ignoring it and repeating the same old crap as though nothing has been said to refute you?

Clete

 

[marke]

Yeah go figure!

The word "figure" there means "think"! Do you ever actually think through a word of what you say?

It isn't the vaccinated people who are driving this latest rise in cases, it's the unvaccinated. GO FIGURE!

Vaccine	Efficacy at preventing disease: ancestral & Alpha	Efficacy at preventing infection: ancestral & Alpha	Efficacy at preventing disease: Beta, Gamma, Delta	Efficacy at preventing infection: Beta, Gamma, Delta
Pfizer/BioNTech	92%	86%	90%	78%
Moderna	94%	89%	93%	80%
AstraZeneca	85%	52%	83%	51%
Johnson & Johnson (Janssen)	86%	72%	85%	56%

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How can we measure how many lives have been saved in the past by waterboarding enemy combatants who have been captured? We can't, but we have been told by military intelligence officials that waterboarding has saved thousands of American lives. Most of us just have to decide whether we believe that or not since the proof is unavailable.

How can we measure the effectiveness rate of covid shots among the vaccinated and assign a relative number of covid deaths prevented by vaccinations? We can't. People who have gotten vaccinated have later contracted covid. If that proves one thing it proves the covid shot is not 100% effective. Millions of Americans never got covid before the shots came out and millions of Americans are not getting covid now. How can we measure the relative relationships between lack of covid infections and vaccinations? We cannot zero in on exact numbers and specific correlations between covid and vaccinations, and what is assumed is not infallible.

 

[marke]

There are hundred of millions of people who got that shot and did not die, Marke. Pretty nearly everyone you know has gotten the shot and didn't die from it.

And no one has deny that there have been people die shortly after having gotten the shot but there has been no arguments made that substantiate what number of those people die BECAUSE of the shot.

What is that, the tenth time I've made that point in this thread?

Are you EVER going to address it or do you plan to just keep on ignoring it and repeating the same old crap as though nothing has been said to refute you?

Clete

If someone dies after taking the government-mandated shot will the government deny its responsibility for the death in court? How many Americans will end up suing the government for damages for deaths or injury from the covid shots? Will the government be able to prove in court the shots had nothing to do with the serious damages or deaths or will the government simply tell the suffering they are out of luck because the domocrat oligarchy will never own up to the damages caused by its own edicts.

 

[way 2 go]

so its more like Nyquil™ except
with some serious short term side effects including death
with unknown long term side effects
And eventually it doesn't work

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august last year vs august this year
not a vaccine not a preventative measure

 

[way 2 go]

There are hundred of millions of people who got that shot and did not die, Marke. Pretty nearly everyone you know has gotten the shot and didn't die from it.

same could be said of the wuflu

There are only two classes of people in the entire world. Those who have been fully vaccinated and those who have not been fully vaccinated.

Please explain how the only two classes of people who exist can add up to a total of 11.97% of those who have tested positive. Where are are the other 88.03% of the people who tested positive?

I assumed you could read and understand, my bad

Of course I know the answer. The rhetorical question is intended to demonstrate how this presentation is designed to trick people into thinking things are worse than they actually are. This presentation ignores the difference in the size of the two classes. It ignores the difference in the number of tests given to each class. It ignores the fact that a positive test does equal an actual case of the disease (i.e. It ignores the actual number of vaccinated people who get sick vs the number unvaccinated people who get sick - and how severely). It ignores the difference in the number of deaths in each class. Etc, etc.

I assume they only test sick vaxd people to keep the numbers low


so in August do you assume these numbers changed and magically vaxed no longer got sick at relatively the same rate ?

In short it ignores all the important information.

like you ignore all the information that goes against your preconceived notion of the gene therapy .

The fact is that published, scientific, double blind, placebo controlled studies of these vaccines PROVE that they are both safe and very very effective. The Phizer shot is more than 90% effective at preventing cases of symptomatic delta variant COVID disease for at least 6 - 8 months.

Clete

no , relative risk reduction is for advertising

0.7 -1.3 effective ARR link

aaand lets not forget Sweden has done better without lockdowns ,masks, vax , vax passports , etc

Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info