Jesus is God !

[keypurr]

The Logos of God was not Created, impossible Jn 1:1 H'es God !

Not so, he is a created form of God, not God.

 

[beloved57]

It is sad that you really think that. There is so much more in truth you miss.

Its sad for you, but God has hid this from you, not good friend !

 

[JudgeRightly]

what I share is truth.

No, it's not.

I have been given a deep understanding of certain things in scripture

No, you haven't. You've deluded yourself into thinking that.

and it an open mind to digest it.

Your mind is so open that your brain has fallen out.

Truth runs deeper than what you have learned.

Truth is clear for all to see.

 

[beloved57]

Not so, he is a created form of God, not God.

Thats False, nowhere in scripture is the Logos, the Word of God is Created, in fact thats Blasphemy !

 

[keypurr]

Thats False, nowhere in scripture is the Logos, the Word of God is Created, in fact thats Blasphemy !

When you find out who the logos is I will be glad to show you the verses. Hint: it is not Jesus.

 

[keypurr]

No, it's not.



No, you haven't. You've deluded yourself into thinking that.



Your mind is so open that your brain has fallen out.



Truth is clear for all to see.

JR you have never disproved what I share.

 

[JudgeRightly]

JR you have never disproved what I share.

Yes, I have.

You simply deny it and act like I didn't.

 

[Lon]

Sorry JR, Forgive my old age please.

Lon I can not disagree more with you on the word IN in verse 2:5

Col 1:15 is very clear that the son is a creation. The first of all creatures/creation.

Go ahead: What is "VERY" clear, Keypurr? Convince me.

Jesus said that all power was given to him, God does not need to be given anything.

:doh: Did you read Philippians 2? Didn't it SAY Jesus, equal with God, 'emptied?' Didn't it?

Philippians 2, it is not Jesus who emptied himself it was WHO was IN Jesus.

It doesn't say that, which means you 'made that part up.' It literally has to say it in scripture or you are going to just be special pleading "Keypurr assumptions."

I am aware that my grammar and spelling are not what they should be but like the fisherman Peter God has blessed me with the faith I have.

No! If your grammar stinks, so does your theology. You CANNOT osmosis your theology. You either know grammar rules AND abide by them or you get a LOT of things wrong.

Many years ago the church filled itself with false doctrins,

"Doctrines," I somewhat agree BUT what "I" did was looked at the bible to discover which ones would stand or fall upon the scriptures, not my false ideas (as well). I'd hate to see what church would come behind "Lon" as "Lonnites." I just want people to read and wrestle with scriptures alongside me. If you never become Triune, I pray you'll at least listen and be molded by scriptures. I'm convinced God will keep His own and guide them into 'all truth.' 1 Corinthians 13's 'Glass darkely' means we are going to have to look hard at our doctrines, humbly until 1 John 3:2

today we can see where they were wrong.

Well, at least on what every protestant agrees on. We need to take a much more careful look when I actually agree with a particular doctrine. For the most part, the RC got more right than wrong AND a mark to help you grasp the difference is to look at what both the Coptic and Greek Orthodox churches believe. Did you realize they were separate from the RC? Did you realize they agree on most doctrine?

 

[Right Divider]

Every living thing is a creation. God alone is not created.

Jesus is the CREATOR.

Col 1:15-18 KJV Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

 

[Bright Raven]

Jesus is the CREATOR.

 

[keypurr]

Jesus is the CREATOR.

It does not say JESUS is the creator, Jesus is a man born to Mary.
Jesus is a creation and so is the son of Col 1:15.
All images are creations.

The true Son of God is a spirit because he/it is the exact image of the Father. It is a created FORM of God for it was given he fullness of the Father, all things were created through this son.

 

[Right Divider]

It does not say JESUS is the creator, Jesus is a man born to Mary.

After all of this time, I must assume that you love to be wrong.

Jesus was with His Father LONG before He took on human flesh.

Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus is a creation and so is the son of Col 1:15.

No, He is NOT... He is the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, as Col 1 states so clearly.

All images are creations.

"Express image" is an analogy and is not to be taken as a "photo".

The true Son of God is a spirit because he/it is the exact image of the Father.

The "exact image" means that Jesus is God.

It is a created FORM of God for it was given he fullness of the Father, all things were created through this son.

You are so wrong. I pity you at the judgement.

 

[keypurr]

Yes, I have.

You simply deny it and act like I didn't.

Nope, you simply do not see what I share. The son at the creation is not Jesus, that son is a spirit.
Consider that God was alone and created a clone of himself. That clone was given the power of God yet it is a creation. God SENT this son to dwell in the body he prepared for it. Jesus was anointed with this son son and it spoke through Jesus. We love the same God and Son but in a different way. I do not think Jesus pre existed because of Acts 10:38 tells us Jesus got his POWER when he was anointed. This is when God announced that this was his son,

 

[keypurr]

After all of this time, I must assume that you love to be wrong.

Jesus was with His Father LONG before He took on human flesh.


No, He is NOT... He is the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, as Col 1 states so clearly.


"Express image" is an analogy and is not to be taken as a "photo".

The "exact image" means that Jesus is God.

You are so wrong. I pity you at the judgement.

Your disreguarding scripture, the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD. Every translation agrees that this means exact copy of God.
ALL IMAGES are CREATIONS. Christ is thr first of all CREATIONS for all things were made through IT.

 

[keypurr]

Christ the Creator is the FIRST creation.

 

[Right Divider]

Your disreguarding scripture, the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD. Every translation agrees that this means exact copy of God.

It's a METAPHOR. It is NOT a literal "image" as in your baloney "picture" idea.

ALL IMAGES are CREATIONS. Christ is thr first of all CREATIONS for all things were made through IT.

God is the CREATOR.... Jesus is God.... Jesus is the CREATOR.

 

[keypurr]

correct

 

[Right Divider]

Christ the Creator is the FIRST creation.

The CREATOR created ALL THINGS. Jesus is that Creator.

 

[keypurr]

The CREATOR created ALL THINGS. Jesus is that Creator.

True God created through his Son. But that son was not Jesus. And that son is the first creation, and is a spirit.

 

[keypurr]

It's a METAPHOR. It is NOT a literal "image" as in your baloney "picture" idea.

God is the CREATOR.... Jesus is God.... Jesus is the CREATOR.

Stop trying to change scripture, its not a metaphor. Who needed a body in Heb 10:5?