Repentance

Oleander

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God, the prophets and Jesus command us over and over again about repentance for forgiveness of sins through out the bible from cover to cover. And none of them describe or command blood for forgiveness of sins, on the contrary they condom the act of animals, human and blood sacrifice .
How God ask and command us not to do things he dislike and at the same time he does it?
Is God a hypocrite? No, but we don't fellow him correctly
 

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God, the prophets and Jesus command us over and over again about repentance for forgiveness of sins through out the bible from cover to cover. And none of them describe or command blood for forgiveness of sins, on the contrary they condom the act of animals, human and blood sacrifice .
How God ask and command us not to do things he dislike and at the same time he does it?
Is God a hypocrite? No, but we don't fellow him correctly

Heb 9:22-28 KJV And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (23) It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. (24) For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (25) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; (26) For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (28) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 

Oleander

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So you get to choose what is the Word of God and what is not?

You can't even spell the prophets name!

,>>>Sorry for my spelling, I'll do better next time.
can you answer my question?
Yes I must chose when God said something, and someone we don't even know said something else.
 

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,>>>Sorry for my spelling, I'll do better next time.
can you answer my question?
Yes I must chose when God said something, and someone we don't even know said something else.

Read Leviticus ... there are plenty of blood sacrifices there.

You should believe God in all cases, not just the ones that you like.
 

Oleander

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Read Leviticus ... there are plenty of blood sacrifices there.

You should believe God in all cases, not just the ones that you like.

>>>I did read Leviticus long time go.
Sacrifices were for unintentional sins as penalty.
Just like speeding ticket now, but not for intentional sins.
For example, there were no sacrifices for killing someone, or disobey your parents or stealing or even work on sabbathsabEnglish not my first language so please be patient with me. Thanks.
 

Bradley D

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Ultimate Blood Sacrifice

"
He Himself bore our sins

in His body on the tree,

so that we might die to sin

and live to righteousness.

“By His stripes you are healed.”

(1 Peter 2:24)
 

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>>>I did read Leviticus long time go.
Sacrifices were for unintentional sins as penalty.
Just like speeding ticket now, but not for intentional sins.
For example, there were no sacrifices for killing someone, or disobey your parents or stealing or even work on sabbathsabEnglish not my first language so please be patient with me. Thanks.
Indeed, some sins required the death penalty.

That does not help your "story". There were blood sacrifices for sin.
 

Oleander

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Indeed, some sins required the death penalty.

That does not help your "story". There were blood sacrifices for sin.

So you agree blood was not for all sins as the writer of Hebrew claim. As matter of fact blood was only for unintentional sins as penalty not as forgiveness of sins.
beside if it was from God, then why God , the prophets and Jesus condemn the shedding of the blood?
I am trying my best as much as I can to perfect my grammar and spelling. Thanks
 

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So you agree blood was not for all sins as the writer of Hebrew claim.
Please QUOTE the scripture that you are referring to.

The part of Hebrews that I quoted said no such thing.

It did say this: "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;"

As matter of fact blood was only for unintentional sins as penalty not as forgiveness of sins.
Wrong.

beside if it was from God, then why God , the prophets and Jesus condemn the shedding of the blood?
Please QUOTE the scripture. We cannot discuss details without details.

I am trying my best as much as I can to perfect my grammar and spelling. Thanks
No problem.
 

nikolai_42

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God, the prophets and Jesus command us over and over again about repentance for forgiveness of sins through out the bible from cover to cover. And none of them describe or command blood for forgiveness of sins, on the contrary they condom the act of animals, human and blood sacrifice .
How God ask and command us not to do things he dislike and at the same time he does it?
Is God a hypocrite? No, but we don't fellow him correctly

Abel offered a blood sacrifice as offering to God and it was acceptable but Cain's sacrifice of grain was not. This wasn't for forgiveness of sins, but animal sacrifice was clearly an acceptable thing in the eyes of God.
 

Oleander

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Abel offered a blood sacrifice as offering to God and it was acceptable but Cain's sacrifice of grain was not. This wasn't for forgiveness of sins, but animal sacrifice was clearly an acceptable thing in the eyes of God.

>>> it was offering or sacrifice?
if it was sacrifice then please quote the sin Abel committed.
 

nikolai_42

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>>> it was offering or sacrifice?
if it was sacrifice then please quote the sin Abel committed.

My point is that a blood sacrifice pleased God - whether it was for forgiveness or not. And God told Noah this :

And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man
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Genesis 9:5,6

The point was that blood was paid for blood. And while it may or may not be clear what God required for forgiveness - it was clear from the beginning that He saw blood as an important thing ("The life is in the blood" He also said to Noah).

You referred to Jeremiah 7. Here's more context :

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Jeremiah 7:21-24

Israel was hard-hearted and idolatrous in their ways. They went after other gods and violated God's law. But they thought they could appease God with sacrifices. It wasn't that God didn't institute sacrifices, but rather that He was looking for obedience and the fear of Him. So when sacrifices are a substitute for that, they are an abomination to God. Read Isaiah 1. God mentions (among other things) the sacrifice of rams. That was the very thing God Himself provided for Abraham to sacrifice in place of Isaac when He directed Him to Mount Moriah in Gen 22. God had already (in Gen 15) told Abraham to sacrifice a ram. And if you read Exodus 29, you find that the blood of bulls and rams was required for a sin offering for the priests when they are consecrated to God. And in Leviticus 9, the ram and a calf are offered as a sin offering for the sins of the people. It nowhere (in that passage) distinguishes between intentional and unintentional sins. However, in Leviticus 5, there is discussion of a "trespass" offering which is made for sins committed through ignorance. But there are other times where even the trespass offering seems to be for a sin that is not done ignorantly Look, for example at Leviticus 6 where a man lies to his neighbor.There is a trespass offering required.

So it isn't just for sins of ignorance that God required sacrifices.
 

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Abel offered a blood sacrifice as offering to God and it was acceptable but Cain's sacrifice of grain was not. This wasn't for forgiveness of sins, but animal sacrifice was clearly an acceptable thing in the eyes of God.

Acceptable != respectable

The verse says "respected."

Whether it was acceptable isn't mentioned.
 

nikolai_42

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Acceptable != respectable

The verse says "respected."

Whether it was acceptable isn't mentioned.

But if it was acceptable, wouldn't you agree that he would be accepted?

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Gen 4:7

Or to put it in the negative form, is there any way the offering would NOT be acceptable and the offerer be accepted?

It seems to me like the yearly bearing of Israel's sins that the High Priest would offer in the Holy of Holies. There were bells around the hem of his garment so that they could tell if he died or not (Ex 28:35) and the question seems to be whether or not the offering was acceptable to the Lord or not.

And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the Lord.
Exodus 28:38

It seems pretty clear to me that if the High Priest doesn't present himself properly, he won't be accepted and will die.The acceptability of the High Priest seems to be inextricably tied up in the acceptability of the offering.
 

DAN P

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>>> it was offering or sacrifice?
if it was sacrifice then please quote the sin Abel committed.

Hi and in Gen 3:21 is the FIRST BLOOD SACRIFICE and the first case of ATONMENT !!\\

In Ex 23:18 shows that it is a blood SACRIFICE and the Hebrew word FAT / CHELEB points to the FAT OF GOD'S , SACRIFICE !!

And of course Heb 9:22

dan p
 
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