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  • Originally posted by Knight
    Jesus IS God silly!
    Then why did he ask God why he had forsaken him?
    Why does the only prayer he taught begin "Our Father who are in Heaven" when He was here?
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.

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    • jesus had both a human and divine nature. on the cross he in his humanity experienced the father's curse as he turned his face from him. he was forsaken in that way.

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      • Originally posted by fiducia
        jesus had both a human and divine nature. on the cross he in his humanity experienced the father's curse as he turned his face from him. he was forsaken in that way.
        He experienced his own curse?
        Why didn't he just handle the whole thing himself somewhere else?
        Are you open view or settled view?
        Everyman is a voice in the dark.

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        • Originally posted by Knight
          Mr. 5020 did you get all that saved to your hard drive?

          And if so could ou make a new thread here at TOL and post everything that was posted there at CF?

          That would be really cool!
          I am uploading it right now...

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          • Originally posted by fool
            He experienced his own curse?
            in a manner of speaking yes

            Why didn't he just handle the whole thing himself somewhere else?
            its tough for me to say what his exact purpose was but given that the cross represents a tremendous act of grace and love it makes sense that he would do it publicly.

            Are you open view or settled view?
            what do you mean?

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            • Originally posted by fiducia
              what do you mean?
              He's asking if you are Free Will (the future is not set) or Calvinist (the future is settled, there is no freewill)
              "I maintain my pride in the face of men, but I abandon it before God, who drew me out of nothingness to make me what I am." - The Count of Monte Cristo

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              • Is there Free Will in Heaven"?

                Free Will in Heaven (Apologies to Eric Clapton)

                Beyond the door,
                There's peace I'm sure.
                And I know there's got to be
                Free will in heaven.

                Would you throw a fit,
                If He controlled you in heaven?
                Would it be the same,
                If He bound your will in heaven?

                You must be strong,
                And carry on.
                'Cause you know there's no free will
                Here in heaven.
                ------

                "Maybe we should spray some OBAMA on it, He's got electrolytes!"

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                • Originally posted by oftenbuzzard
                  Is there Free Will in Heaven"?
                  Welcome to TOL! Did you come over from CF?
                  "I maintain my pride in the face of men, but I abandon it before God, who drew me out of nothingness to make me what I am." - The Count of Monte Cristo

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                  • Originally posted by fool
                    Then why did he ask God why he had forsaken him?
                    Why does the only prayer he taught begin "Our Father who are in Heaven" when He was here?
                    Off topic, start a new thread if ya like.
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                    • Originally posted by Dread Helm
                      Welcome to TOL! Did you come over from CF?
                      CF does that mean...

                      Catholic Forums ??? :thefool:

                      Buzzard has perched there some
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                      "Maybe we should spray some OBAMA on it, He's got electrolytes!"

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                      • The topic on this thread is....

                        TITLE OF THE WEBSITE: ChristianForums.com
                        SUBTITLE OF THEIR WEBSITE: Christian Forums is a multi-denominational Christian forum message board community uniting all Christians as one body.

                        Yet the truth divides!

                        Christ said...

                        Luke 12:51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.

                        Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."

                        John 7:43 So there was a division among the people because of Him.

                        So ChristianForums.com banned Christ.

                        ChristianForums.com RULES state...
                        You may discuss another individual's beliefs or religious organization but you will not harass, insult, belittle, threaten, defame or flame the individual (member or non-member) as this is considered personal (ad hominem) attacks in posts, PMs and any other communication within the site.
                        Christ exclaimed...

                        Matthew 23:33 “Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?

                        So ChristianForums.com swiftly banned Christ.

                        ChristianForums.com rules state:
                        You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a “cult”, “heretic”, “demonic” or “satanic” but you may discuss doctrines, teachings, practices or writings of other religious organizations as long as empirical evidence is provided..
                        Christ warned...

                        John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

                        And Christ turned to Peter and said...

                        Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.

                        So ChristianForums.com quickly banned Christ.

                        ChristianForums.coms rules state:
                        You will not directly state or otherwise imply that another member is not a Christian if he or she falls under Rule 6.5 and 6.6 and he or she does not have a hidden faith icon without providing substantiation from scripture or doctrine or historic church writtings.
                        Christ made Himself clear...

                        Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

                        And when the rich man asked Christ....

                        Luke 18:18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20 “You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ” 21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23 But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich. 24 And when Jesus saw that he became very sorrowful, He said, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 “For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

                        So ChristianForums.com deleted Christ's words and quickly banned Christ.
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                        • Originally posted by Dread Helm
                          He's asking if you are Free Will (the future is not set) or Calvinist (the future is settled, there is no freewill)
                          this is a little confusing. i believe god is in control over his creation, but not like we are robots. i think the bible is clear that god knows the beginning from the end and clearly knows everything, so in that sense wouldnt everything be set? i do believe people can choose what they want. not sure where that puts me with what you said

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                          • sorry didnt mean to go off topic

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                            • What a great thread and I missed it all!

                              Wow, I missed all that. Way to go Knight!
                              "I believe in Christianity, as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis

                              "Don't believe that there's nothing that's true, don't believe in this modern machine." Switchfoot

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                              • Originally posted by fiducia
                                this is a little confusing. i believe god is in control over his creation, but not like we are robots. i think the bible is clear that god knows the beginning from the end and clearly knows everything, so in that sense wouldnt everything be set? i do believe people can choose what they want. not sure where that puts me with what you said
                                Stick around and I'm sure you'll have ample opportunity to discuss this in detail! Just not in this thread. Check out Battle Royale X.
                                "I believe in Christianity, as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else." C.S. Lewis

                                "Don't believe that there's nothing that's true, don't believe in this modern machine." Switchfoot

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