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When was the earth "no longer habitable"? No longer inhabitable by whom?
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Young Earth or Old?
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@oatmeal's words from a defunct post, as quoted by @way 2 go in post #17:
So, after all--surprise! surprise!--the earth was perfect in its original form even though @oatmeal was not yet inhabiting it. So much for the gappers' ridiculous and false claim that absence of inhabitants meant imperfection.
He taught wrongly.
There is no "became" in that verse.
Nope. Nothing happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
It's not so.
Nope.
"Replenish" is not the correct translation. It works, but only for one of it's definitions.
The word used in the original Hebrew text was "male" (pronounced "maw-lay"). and means "to fill or be full."
There is nothing in its meaning that implies being "filled again."
7500 years is definitely very old.
Genesis 1:6-8
The name of the earth was "Heaven."
Roughly 7500 years, give or take a century.
Adam fell within 14 days of Genesis 1:1.
You believe wrongly.
As always, when this comes up: The CONTEXT of the word yom ALWAYS specifies its meaning.
In Genesis 1, there is no other possibility for it to mean anything other than a literal, 24-hour period. The context does not allow it.
In other passages, yes, it means "age" or an undefined period of time. But in Genesis 1, the context defines it as a normal, literal day.
Hebrew Word Definition: Day | AHRC
Defining Hebrew words within their original cultural context.ancient-hebrew.org
Ok, and?
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The Earth is very old... thousands of years!
That is ridiculous.
God chose to make it a literal ~24 hour day. How much more clear could He be?
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I think you may be thinking of The Avengers.
Arnold Murray was a blithering idiot and a false teacher.
way 2 go
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evening and morning is achieved by the rotation of the earth
1 rotation of the earth = 1 day
day one earth and light without form
day two and three gave form to the earth
day four form to the light
JudgeRightly gave you the strongest argument why you are wrong. However, the weaker argument you rely on is the scientific, or material, argument. But since you rely on the material argument, you should understand you are wrong even on your own terms.The late Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught that be correct translation in Genesis is that the Earth "became" void and without form. That's something devastating happened to the Earth..... If that is so then it's a possibility that the war that took place in the heavens actually involved the Earth.
That would explain why he told man to be fruitful and multiply and "replenish" the Earth.
I believe that the Earth is old very, very, old. And at one point her name was Eden, God's Garden.
I also believe it is only been just over 6,000 years since the "fall" of Adam.
The 6 days, I believe is a mistranslation.
I've read the arguments concerning the word Hebrew word yom. It can also mean a period of time / a span of time / the time when / as well as other things and the translators / writers / first churches chose to use it as a literal 24-hour day.
Hebrew Word Definition: Day | AHRC
Defining Hebrew words within their original cultural context.
By your terms, when you say "very old" you mean far older than what science tells us it is. Although some scientists would agree with you and not me, other scientists have compelling arguments that agree with me and not you. Thus, at best, you can either struggle with the material argument without understanding the truth, or you can follow the philosophical argument and have a greater appreciation for what you just learned from JudgeRightly.
way 2 go
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Opinion | The Story of Our Universe May Be Starting to Unravel
Is cosmology in crisis?
The Webb data, though, revealed that some very large galaxies formed really fast, in too short a time, at least according to the standard model. This was no minor discrepancy. The finding is akin to parents and their children appearing in a story when the grandparents are still children themselves.
It was not, unfortunately, an isolated incident.
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Who are you calling a Bible denying gapper? You must be referring to yourself!
Definition of REPLENISH
to fill or build up again; to fill with persons or animals; to fill with inspiration or power : nourish… See the full definition
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Messianic version uses became
Genesis 1:2 and the earth became without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God-Elōhīm [Messiah Pre-Incarnate] moved upon the face of the waters. | New Messianic Version Bible (NMV) | Download The Bible Ap
and the earth became without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God-Elōhīm [Messiah Pre-Incarnate] moved upon the face of the waters.
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They also believe became void and without form
The Earth Becomes “Without Form and Void,” Part 2
In yesterday’s Daily Bible Verse Blog, we covered the chaotic state of the earth as revealed in Genesis 1:2, which describes it as “without form, and void.” We saw, based on other scriptures, that God would not have created the earth and universe in this state because everything
Strong's concordance uses the word become quite often for the definition of the Hebrew word haw-yaw that was translated was
Haven't done since she disappeared on that you can feel I believe wrongly as is your right. I feel .... You believe wrongly
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Hebrew Word Definition: Day | AHRC
Defining Hebrew words within their original cultural context.
ancient-hebrew.org
Use your Strong's concordance and how it defines the word yom which is the Hebrew word for day
In the Bible does not say it was a literal 24-hour day. Man determined that a few thousand years ago and pasted down that teaching generation to generation.
God gave man the knowledge of science _ and if a thousand years to God is as one day then a million years to God will be as one day _ as well as a billion, a trillion, a zillion years as one day, because God is not subjected to time, only man is..... Quite sure you will disagree with this too.
It is your right to disagree; so disagree on; and believe whatever teachings you have been taught. Different denominations different teachings.
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Think of him as you choose ......
Well here are some others who agree with the blithering idiot and it's a shame that people have to insult other people to voice their opinion.
Messianic Text says a catastrophe happened most likely because of the war
https://www.bethmelekh.com/yaakovs-commentary/genesis-11-23-part-two-interpretation
And there are many other references out there other than the late Pastor Arnold Murray
Formless and Void: Gap Theory Creationism | National Center for Science Education
There are three major types of creationism espoused by fundamentalist antievolutionists, each with variants, plus a few less popular types.
The Earth Becomes “Without Form and Void,” Part 1
The second verse of Genesis introduces us to the condition of the earth at some point after the creation. Most read this verse and assume that it describes the state of the earth as God originally created it in verse 1. This idea would have us believe that God created a world completely in darkness
Tohu wa -bohu, Earth “Was” or “Became,” Waste and Void?
The Original Hebrew Reveals What God Is Saying In the Creation Of The Universe When we conduct a serious study in the correct usage of the Hebrew language, we find that Genesis Chapter 1 verse 1, w…
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I don't agree with some of their teachings but the main subject is *the earth became void and without form*- that I agree with.
Believe as you choose it is your right as it is mine to believe as I choose.
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You choose to believe wrongly, but it is not by any right that you do so.
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Strong's concordance must be wrong when they say that the word y o m can actually be a figuratively used as a space of time or so you are indicating.
No I don't understand I'm wrong - I personally believe I'm right and you are wrong.
You consider me wrong on your terms.
That is why there is so much division within the church because some Christians want to tell those that believe differently, that interpret scripture differently, as wrong. And quite frankly they can't prove as an absolute that they are right.
That is why I try never to tell a Christian they're wrong, and I don't believe another Christian should call any Christian wrong!!!! I understand why there are different interpretations of scripture and what I write I believe - I say what I believe this and there's nothing you or anyone else can say to change my beliefs. I've been studying scripture for over 60 years and seen and heard just about every different interpretation there can be of scripture and I believe what I believe.
That is what is called having respect for another one's understanding of scripture
It is written do not argue over scripture that means that even then people saw felt believed differently concerning scripture.
-Don’t Argue About Scripture!
Don’t Argue About Scripture! “The Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach … those who oppose him … in the hope that God will grant them repe…
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Romans 14 - NLT - Bible Study Tools
Romans 14 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. For instance, one person believes it’s all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetabl... Read verse in New Living Translation
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And I believe that God's spirit has guided me to believe as I do.
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If I'm not mistaken, you're the first person I've seen go to war against Genesis on a dual front of proclaiming BOTH the gap idea AND the day-age idea. You're apparently aiming to somehow get untold eons more time for the earth's history than even the Darwinists are begging for!