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  • Jesus Christ chose to do the will of God instead of his own will.

    Jesus Christ, the son of God, obeyed his Father and God.

    He chose to do not his own will but the will of the Father, the one who sent him.

    Jesus Christ willfully chose to do God’s will instead of his own will, he submitted himself to do the Father’s will.

    He chose for himself what he would do or not do, he chose to do God's will, therefore, he chose to not succumb to temptation but to do the will of God.

    Hebrews 4:15

    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    His will was a different way to die for our sins, but he willfully submitted to God's will.

    Matthew 26:39

    And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

    Matthew 26:42

    He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

    Luke 22:42

    Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

    Doing God's will was sustenance to Jesus Christ

    John 4:34

    Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

    John 5:30

    I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    John 6:38
    For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    Jesus Christ was obedient to death, not just any death but the death of the cross

    Philippians 2:7-8

    But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    His life was the epitome, the greatest example of obedience to God.

    The proper response learning of this is to likewise learn to be obedient even as Jesus Christ obeyed the Father's will.

    Philippians 2

    4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    Even as Jesus Christ being a man, not God, learned obedience to God, via being obedient to his parents, God's written word and later by revelation from God, so should we likewise learn obedience and thus see the benefits of obedience to God.

    Hebrews 5:8

    Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

    Hebrews 12:2

    Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


    There is much to be gained by learning from Jesus' example of obedience even if it contradicts our will at times.
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

  • #2
    False dichotomy.

    Jesus is God, so therefore, He, being God, did what He willed to do.

    You fail to make the distinction when arguing against the trinity.

    God = Father, Son, Spirit

    The issue is not "did Jesus do God's will, and not his own." Rather, it's "did He do His FATHER'S will, and not His own."

    I can see how someone who rejects the Trinity could easily be so confused by that rather major detail, but that's how it is.

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    • #3
      Jesus had His own will but He never made a mistake He never sinned.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
        False dichotomy.

        Jesus is God, so therefore, He, being God, did what He willed to do.

        You fail to make the distinction when arguing against the trinity.

        God = Father, Son, Spirit

        The issue is not "did Jesus do God's will, and not his own." Rather, it's "did He do His FATHER'S will, and not His own."

        I can see how someone who rejects the Trinity could easily be so confused by that rather major detail, but that's how it is.
        You should read the verses I listed and believe what Jesus said in those verses instead of making stuff up
        "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

        "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

        Pro scripture = Protestant

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jacob View Post
          Jesus had His own will but He never made a mistake He never sinned.
          Yes, Jesus had his own will, but submitted his will to do the Father's will. In other words, he honored his Father by obeying his Father.

          Jesus was so absolutely committed out of love for God that he did not err, but did all things well that God wanted him to do.

          Thus we read, "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased"
          "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

          "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

          Pro scripture = Protestant

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          • #6
            Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
            Yes, Jesus had his own will, but submitted his will to do the Father's will. In other words, he honored his Father by obeying his Father.

            Jesus was so absolutely committed out of love for God that he did not err, but did all things well that God wanted him to do.

            Thus we read, "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased"
            Amen.

            Jesus as the only begotten Son of God submitted Himself to the Father's will.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
              False dichotomy.

              Jesus is God, so therefore, He, being God, did what He willed to do.

              You fail to make the distinction when arguing against the trinity.

              God = Father, Son, Spirit

              The issue is not "did Jesus do God's will, and not his own." Rather, it's "did He do His FATHER'S will, and not His own."

              I can see how someone who rejects the Trinity could easily be so confused by that rather major detail, but that's how it is.
              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
              You should read the verses I listed and believe what Jesus said in those verses instead of making stuff up
              Let's see is those verses more closely match what I say vs what you say:

              Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
              Hebrews 4:15

              For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
              Nope, nothing there.

              Matthew 26:39

              And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
              JudgeRightly - 1
              Oatmeal - 0

              Matthew 26:42

              He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
              JudgeRightly - 2
              Oatmeal - 0

              Luke 22:42

              Saying, [YELLOW]Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
              JudgeRightly - 3
              Oatmeal - 0

              John 4:34

              Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
              Nada...

              John 5:30

              I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
              JudgeRightly - 4
              Oatmeal - 0

              John 6:38
              For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
              What does the rest of the passage say?

              And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” - John 6:35-40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

              "Father"

              JudgeRightly - 5
              Oatmeal - 0

              Philippians 2:7-8

              But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

              8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
              Nothing here...

              Philippians 2

              4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

              5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
              ここでも何もない...

              Hebrews 5:8

              Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
              "Son" indicates "Father"

              JudgeRightly - 6
              Oatmeal - 0

              Hebrews 12:2

              Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
              Nothing about any will.

              So, the final score?

              JudgeRightly - 6
              Oatmeal - 0

              Therefore, we can rightly conclude that you need to reconsider your theology, because it CLEARLY does not match what the Bible says.

              Jesus the Son submitted His will to the Father.

              Jesus is God, and did what He Himself willed.
              Last edited by JudgeRightly; May 6th, 2019, 03:16 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                Jesus the Son submitted His will to the Father.
                True
                Jesus is God, and did what He Himself willed.
                Jesus is not the Father and therefore does not have the same will.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                  True

                  Jesus is not the Father and therefore does not have the same will.
                  I didn't say he was the Father.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                    I didn't say he was the Father.
                    Okay. Good.

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                    • #11
                      Doing the will of God is the way that faith works.

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                      • #12
                        oatmeal

                        His will was a different way to die for our sins, but he willfully submitted to God's will.
                        And what was that different way ?
                        "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
                        preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
                        called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
                        a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

                        Charles Spurgeon !

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                          Let's see is those verses more closely match what I say vs what you say:



                          Nope, nothing there.



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                          Nada...



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                          What does the rest of the passage say?

                          And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” - John 6:35-40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

                          "Father"

                          JudgeRightly - 5
                          Oatmeal - 0



                          Nothing here...



                          ここでも何もない...



                          "Son" indicates "Father"

                          JudgeRightly - 6
                          Oatmeal - 0



                          Nothing about any will.

                          So, the final score?

                          JudgeRightly - 6
                          Oatmeal - 0

                          Therefore, we can rightly conclude that you need to reconsider your theology, because it CLEARLY does not match what the Bible says.

                          Jesus the Son submitted His will to the Father.

                          Jesus is God, and did what He Himself willed.
                          Like I said, why don't you read what those verses say and believe what Jesus the anointed one, the son of God, said?

                          He said what he meant and he meant what he said because Jesus spoke those things that God told him to speak

                          John 7:17

                          If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

                          John 8:28

                          Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

                          John 12:49-50

                          For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
                          And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

                          John 14:10

                          Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

                          Read those also and believe what Jesus the anointed one, the son of God says
                          "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                          "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                          Pro scripture = Protestant

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oatmeal View Post
                            Like I said, why don't you read what those verses say and believe what Jesus the anointed one, the son of God, said?

                            He said what he meant and he meant what he said because Jesus spoke those things that God told him to speak

                            John 7:17

                            If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

                            John 8:28

                            Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

                            John 12:49-50

                            For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
                            And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

                            John 14:10

                            Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

                            Read those also and believe what Jesus the anointed one, the son of God says
                            Where did I deny what Jesus said or meant?

                            I accept everything Jesus taught. . . .

                            . . . As being for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

                            Your argument is, "Because Jesus submitted His will to God, therefore He is not God".

                            This is a false premise.

                            Jesus, who is God, submitted His will to the FATHER, who is God.

                            But Jesus is NOT the Father. Nor is the Father the Son.

                            Jesus, being God, did what He willed to do.

                            Jesus, being the Son of God, submitted His will to His Father.

                            Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                            False dichotomy premise.

                            Jesus is God, so therefore, He, being God, did what He willed to do.

                            You fail to make the distinction when arguing against the trinity.

                            God = Father, Son, Spirit

                            The issue is not "did Jesus do God's will, and not his own." Rather, it's "did He do His FATHER'S will, and not His own."

                            I can see how someone who rejects the Trinity could easily be so confused by that rather major detail, but that's how it is.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                              Let's see is those verses more closely match what I say vs what you say:



                              Nope, nothing there.



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                              JudgeRightly - 3
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                              Nada...



                              JudgeRightly - 4
                              Oatmeal - 0



                              What does the rest of the passage say?

                              And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” - John 6:35-40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...0&version=NKJV

                              "Father"

                              JudgeRightly - 5
                              Oatmeal - 0



                              Nothing here...



                              ここでも何もない...



                              "Son" indicates "Father"

                              JudgeRightly - 6
                              Oatmeal - 0



                              Nothing about any will.

                              So, the final score?

                              JudgeRightly - 6
                              Oatmeal - 0

                              Therefore, we can rightly conclude that you need to reconsider your theology, because it CLEARLY does not match what the Bible says.

                              Jesus the Son submitted His will to the Father.

                              Jesus is God, and did what He Himself willed.
                              Like I said, Jesus did not do his own will but submitted himself to do the will of God, his Father.

                              What his will might have been, I don't know, but Jesus did not do his own will, as the son of God, he obediently did the will of God, his Father.

                              Jesus had his own will and thankfully did not do his own will but the will of God
                              "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

                              "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

                              Pro scripture = Protestant

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