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  • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    1. What is this;

    Matthew 28:19 New King James Version (NKJV)

    19 Go therefore[a] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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    Matthew 28:19 Is Genuine

    This verse is not particularly useful for Trinitarian defense as it theoretically could support any view -- modalism, even tritheism, could be permitted from this verse, for it only lists the members of the Triune Godhead with absolutely no explanation as to their exact relationship.
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    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    2. Does God have the attributes I listed. If not you are unable to discern the truth of the text of the scriptures.

    Genesis 17:1
    1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.


    As for the apparent omniscience and omnipresence of God, these supposed attributes can be explained solely under God's omnipotence.
    Your lack of ability to read the Bible without constantly altering what you read according to the doctrines you have been taught is not helping your argument any.

    Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    3. The Bible teaches the doctrine whether you believe it or not.
    Unfortunately for your argument, the Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity, and you can't make it teach the doctrine by simply claiming that it does.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
    ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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    • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
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      Matthew 28:19 Is Genuine

      This verse is not particularly useful for Trinitarian defense as it theoretically could support any view -- modalism, even tritheism, could be permitted from this verse, for it only lists the members of the Triune Godhead with absolutely no explanation as to their exact relationship.
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      Genesis 17:1
      1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.


      As for the apparent omniscience and omnipresence of God, these supposed attributes can be explained solely under God's omnipotence.
      Your lack of ability to read the Bible without constantly altering what you read according to the doctrines you have been taught is not helping your argument any.


      Unfortunately for your argument, the Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity, and you can't make it teach the doctrine by simply claiming that it does.
      So you admit the existence of a triune Godhead. Hmmm.. Defense Complete. Also see;

      1 John 5:7New King James Version (NKJV)

      7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

      And don't tell me the Johannine Comma is an addition to scripture. If it were added, it should have been removed. You can cut it out of your bible if you wish or just ignore it.
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
        You do not believe in the Trinity, therefore, it is doubtful that you believe even if shown. So why waste the time.

        Christians believe in the Trinity, non-Christians don't. You must believe in the nature of god and who He is. Who are you to tell Him that as a single essence that He can't exist is three persons. What does that tell you?
        G.O. has somehow been able to magnify his imaginary significance?
        The odds were against it? None the less, he's been able to seem,
        almost as bright as the genius poster Meshak the Magnificent.
        Last edited by Grosnick Marowbe; February 1, 2016, 06:24 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
          So you admit the existence of a triune Godhead.
          The scripture does not teach a triune Godhead, and your verse "could support any view -- modalism, even tritheism" as stated in the quote.
          Learn to read what is written.

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          The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
          ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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          • Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
            Grosnick Marowbe has somehow been able to magnify his imaginary significance?
            The odds were against it? None the less, he's been able to seem,
            almost as bright as the genius poster Grosnick Marowbe
            Originally posted by Jesus
            Luke 6:31
            31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
            Learn to read what is written.

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            The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
            ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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            • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
              The scripture does not teach a triune Godhead, and your verse "could support any view -- modalism, even tritheism" as stated in the quote.
              You still accept the existence of the Godhead. Definition (Dictionary.com)
              Godhead
              [god-hed]
              Spell Syllables
              Word Origin
              noun
              1.
              the essential being of God; the Supreme Being.
              the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
              He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

              Jim Elliot

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              • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                The scripture does not teach a triune Godhead, and your verse "could support any view -- modalism, even tritheism" as stated in the quote.
                Colossians 2:8 KJV - Colossians 2:9-10 KJV -

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                • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                  Unfortunately for your argument, the Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity, and you can't make it teach the doctrine by simply claiming that it does.
                  Have you thought about why it may not be as clear as it could be?


                  Is it possible that God expects us to recognize Him by faith as the only Saviour? That we have to look to the Lord Jesus Christ in order to find the ONE true God Almighty?

                  What is it that separates all the cults from true believers except the recognition that Jesus is God? What He then reveals of Himself and the Holy Spirit leave us with a clear understanding. One the world cannot see until they believe.
                  Isaiah 43:11
                  I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

                  Isaiah 45:15
                  Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

                  Isaiah 45:21
                  Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

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                  • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                    the failure of Trinitarians to come up with any scriptures that actually teach the doctrine of the Trinity, as opposed to finding verses that can be used to support the doctrine of the Trinity.
                    The failure of Protestant Trinitarians, you mean.

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                    • Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                      Have you thought about why it may not be as clear as it could be?
                      Yes, I have.
                      I have looked into the Trinity doctrine, where it comes from, the Biblical support for it, the Biblical support for the major opposing views, and explored why the Trinity doctrine is not taught in scripture.

                      The reason it is an extra-Biblical doctrine instead of a Biblical doctrine is because God wants only the Father worshiped as God without any confusion.


                      Acts 24:14-15
                      14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
                      15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

                      Learn to read what is written.

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                      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                      • Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                        The failure of Protestant Trinitarians, you mean.
                        No, the Catholic Trinitarians are guilty of innocent blood because of the Trinity doctrine.
                        Learn to read what is written.

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                        The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                        ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                        • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                          No, the Catholic Trinitarians are guilty of innocent blood because of the Trinity doctrine.
                          Aw, now you're just changing the subject! "Innocent blood" . . . geez!

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                          • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                            Yes, I have.
                            I have looked into the Trinity doctrine, where it comes from, the Biblical support for it, the Biblical support for the major opposing views, and explored why the Trinity doctrine is not taught in scripture.

                            The reason it is an extra-Biblical doctrine instead of a Biblical doctrine is because God wants only the Father worshiped as God without any confusion.


                            Acts 24:14-15
                            14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
                            15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
                            We're so lucky, you don't have the final say on all things Biblical.

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                            • Thanks for changing my post with my name instead of yours.
                              You're a wee bit petty aren't ya?

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                              • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                                Yes, I have.
                                I have looked into the Trinity doctrine, where it comes from, the Biblical support for it, the Biblical support for the major opposing views, and explored why the Trinity doctrine is not taught in scripture.

                                The reason it is an extra-Biblical doctrine instead of a Biblical doctrine is because God wants only the Father worshiped as God without any confusion.


                                Acts 24:14-15
                                14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
                                15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
                                But that doesn't say only the Father is to be worshipped as God.

                                The Bible makes it clear that Christ is the one to whom every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD....Lord of the living and the dead.


                                Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

                                7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

                                8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

                                9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

                                10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

                                11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

                                12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.



                                One God....and ONE Saviour....and one Judge of the living and the dead.


                                Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

                                22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

                                23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

                                24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

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