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  • #61
    Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
    All three accounts agree that is was ON HIS WAY to Damascus.
    None of the text that you posted described where Paul learned of his role, which is where the discrepancy is that I mentioned.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by clefty View Post
      ok wut? I complimented your find of a non canonical text regarding sabbath keeping and now I have no idea what wut is going on...or ok...you continued with a textual criticism of Luke and Hosea which I thought was about time and then it all went Greek to me...you Greek? Haha...No wait you referenced the Quran
      LOL sorry, I'm usually pretty terse with what I write, I raises the bar and helps me avoid the religionists. Thanks for the compliment, though, I missed that before.

      The quotes from Luke 24:44-46 and Hosea 6:2 are about a missing proof text, and the source texts for the proof were already written at the time.
      I mentioned the Quran because Isaiah 29:12 connects Mohammed to the network of endorsement that I'm using as a basis of interpretation. The missing proof text connects to the Quran's description of the crucifixion.

      Originally posted by clefty View Post
      well technically 2 out of 3 times as the second is again in Matt and He refers to it to the Pharisees He told before or by now should have known as He told them before...
      Assuming that the different audiences in the three accounts imply that there were three different events, the different audiences of the people and the priesthood get different messages:

      Matthew 12
      40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

      Luke 11
      30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

      Originally posted by clefty View Post
      But all this means what?...not the traditional predictions of dead 3 days? Or that Jews were being triggered that even goyim Nineveh repented and they didn’t...
      It means that the Messiah wasn't the son of man of the Pharisee's version of the sign of Jonah, there was another.

      Originally posted by clefty View Post
      I offered it was not a timing thing as Jonah was not dead 3 days/nights....but was a last hope savior for Nineveh...
      The message of Nineveh was about repentance. There's also the wisdom of Solomon, but that is a whole other rabbit hole.

      Originally posted by clefty View Post
      now what? Please elaborate and stop the initiation into your idea Zen Master...
      There's too much content in this thread for me to elaborate, here are couple of thoughts...

      The quote from Hosea 4:6 is about the importance of knowledge (gnosis), which connects to the Gnostic text about the sabbath. You have to have knowledge of your sin before you can repent from it.

      The Quran connects to the sealed book of Isaiah 29:12 (Mohammed is called the seal of the prophets in the Quran). There are seven seals in the book of revelation, which connects back to the sabbath being the seventh day.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Theo102 View Post

        None of the text that you posted described where Paul learned of his role, which is where the discrepancy is that I mentioned.
        Again... stop "mentioning" and spell it out. Quote the scripture and show where the supposed problem is.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

          Again... stop "mentioning" and spell it out. Quote the scripture and show where the supposed problem is.
          It's not hard to find from my description. Again, the discrepancy is about where Paul learned of his role.

          Acts 9
          6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

          Acts 22
          10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

          Acts 26
          15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
          16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
          17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
          18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Theo102 View Post

            It's not hard to find from my description. Again, the discrepancy is about where Paul learned of his role.

            Acts 9
            6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

            Acts 22
            10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

            Acts 26
            15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
            16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
            17 Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
            18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
            Once again you project your flawed ideas onto the scripture. If you think that Paul's "role" was described entirely and completely on any one occasion, that is were you went off the rails.

            It is apparent that Christ gave Paul an "overview" of his role when He appears to Paul on the road to Damascus. That the Acts 9 and Acts 22 account do not mention that is not a "contradiction". Again, not every account of every event needs to contain every detail of the event.

            According to your flawed theory, every newspaper article about any event should be identical.
            All of my ancestors are human.
            Originally posted by Squeaky
            That explains why your an idiot.
            Originally posted by God's Truth
            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Theo102 View Post

              LOL sorry, I'm usually pretty terse with what I write, I raises the bar and helps me avoid the religionists. Thanks for the compliment, though, I missed that before.
              "I raises the bar" ok...but in avoiding religionists please remain lucid and transparent else you fill find yourself a following of followers following another mystic they don't understand...

              The quotes from Luke 24:44-46 and Hosea 6:2 are about a missing proof text, and the source texts for the proof were already written at the time.
              I mentioned the Quran because Isaiah 29:12 connects Mohammed to the network of endorsement that I'm using as a basis of interpretation. The missing proof text connects to the Quran's description of the crucifixion.
              ok...so why the Quran? and not Johah? and where is this going at all? about the Sabbath...you know topic of thread...


              Assuming that the different audiences in the three accounts imply that there were three different events, the different audiences of the people and the priesthood get different messages:

              Matthew 12
              40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

              Luke 11
              30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
              ok...


              It means that the Messiah wasn't the son of man of the Pharisee's version of the sign of Jonah, there was another.
              disciples got it wrong too...


              The message of Nineveh was about repentance. There's also the wisdom of Solomon, but that is a whole other rabbit hole.
              the whole OT was about faith...repent...here's HOW...


              There's too much content in this thread for me to elaborate, here are couple of thoughts...
              not even sure you are elaborating on the content of this thread...

              The quote from Hosea 4:6 is about the importance of knowledge (gnosis), which connects to the Gnostic text about the sabbath. You have to have knowledge of your sin before you can repent from it.
              actually they were instructed to "repair" the "sin" themselves with whom they had offended and THEN come to sacrifice a THANK offering as it was no longer a "sin" offering as SIN offerings were for unintentional/unknown/omission sins... kinda like that "TO THE UNKNOWN" god Paul referenced on Mars hill...just to hedge the bet and prevent wrath...you can't even purge the leavening at Passover as it is MICROSCOPIC but poor jewish wives still try...sin isn't something to wash away or carry unto scapegoat head...it is an attitude...uncircumcised heart issue...

              is WHY the Law...it points out sin...you wouldn't know it otherwise...Paul admitted as much with coveting...thus without Law one would have no knowledge of your sin which offended and provoked wrath...cant repent what you don't know...UNLESS it's a sin offering...BECAUSE you admit you offend without KNOWING...that is contrition...all have sinned...one is NEVER sinless...just sin LESS...

              The Quran connects to the sealed book of Isaiah 29:12 (Mohammed is called the seal of the prophets in the Quran). There are seven seals in the book of revelation, which connects back to the sabbath being the seventh day.
              ummm..ok...again not following...

              but you ignored where Paul did NOT teach another gospel but that was in the OT...repent he insisted...turn back to His way and back to Him...to both Jew and now clean goyim...a message too for the later muslim…

              kinda rhymes...ha

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                Once again you project your flawed ideas onto the scripture.
                Says the poster who quoted the wrong text in response to this question. You're simply projecting your own flawed understanding, Acts is not scripture in the sense that it has a no prophetic source, unlike what is referred to in the gospel as unqualified scripture..

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  "I raises the bar" ok...but in avoiding religionists please remain lucid and transparent else you fill find yourself a following of followers following another mystic they don't understand...
                  Sorry, typo. Should have been "It raises the bar". The application of reason is essential in the acquisition of knowledge.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  ok...so why the Quran? and not Johah? and where is this going at all? about the Sabbath...you know topic of thread...
                  I brought up the Quran because of my basis of interpretation, i.e. endorsement by the prophets. Jonah relates to signs and repentance and the idea of different messages for different audiences.

                  Sabbath in Hebrew is שבת, and relates to שבע, meaning seven or oath.

                  Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign[אות] between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] YHWH that doth sanctify you.
                  Exodus 31:13

                  The Hebrew word אות can be pronounced as owat or oath.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  disciples got it wrong too...
                  The title of son of man was never an exclusive one. This ambiguity relates to the phrase "for my name's sake":

                  Acts 9
                  15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the Children of Israel.
                  16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  the whole OT was about faith...repent...here's HOW...
                  That's an oversimplification, in spades.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  actually they were instructed to "repair" the "sin" themselves with whom they had offended and THEN come to sacrifice a THANK offering
                  While gratitude is important I don't know of anything about sacrifice of thanks.

                  The sacrifices of Elohim [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O Elohim, thou wilt not despise.
                  Psalms 51:19

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  one is NEVER sinless...just sin LESS...
                  Both YHWH and the Messiah taught perfection.

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  ummm..ok...again not following...
                  If you trace similar ideas from different prophets you can get insight about their meaning

                  Originally posted by clefty View Post
                  but you ignored where Paul did NOT teach another gospel but that was in the OT...repent he insisted...turn back to His way and back to Him...to both Jew and now clean goyim...a message too for the later muslim…

                  kinda rhymes...ha
                  Paul started out by teaching the gospel of repentance but later on preached his own gospel:

                  Galatians 1
                  8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                    Says the poster who quoted the wrong text in response to this question.
                    Childish lying does not help your theory. I did NOT "quote the wrong text". I had to GUESS at what you were talking about since you kept it a secret.

                    Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                    You're simply projecting your own flawed understanding, Acts is not scripture in the sense that it has a no prophetic source, unlike what is referred to in the gospel as unqualified scripture..
                    You have silly ideas and an inability to communcate.

                    All of my ancestors are human.
                    Originally posted by Squeaky
                    That explains why your an idiot.
                    Originally posted by God's Truth
                    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                      Childish lying does not help your theory. I did NOT "quote the wrong text". I had to GUESS at what you were talking about since you kept it a secret.
                      I'm not lying. You text was obviously wrong because it said nothing about Paul's role when the point related to where he learned of his role. I didn't keep it a secret, anyone who wasn't mentally impaired could have found the references to Paul's role in the chapters that I gave you.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                        I'm not lying. You text was obviously wrong because it said nothing about Paul's role when the point related to where he learned of his role. I didn't keep it a secret, anyone who wasn't mentally impaired could have found the references to Paul's role in the chapters that I gave you.
                        It's not hard to understand your problem.

                        https://theologyonline.com/forum/pol...70#post2755270
                        All of my ancestors are human.
                        Originally posted by Squeaky
                        That explains why your an idiot.
                        Originally posted by God's Truth
                        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

                          It's not hard to understand your problem.

                          https://theologyonline.com/forum/pol...70#post2755270
                          Stop pretending that you've got a point to make.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Theo102 View Post

                            Stop pretending that you've got a point to make.
                            I made one. You're just not bright enough to understand it.
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Theo102 View Post
                              Sorry, typo.
                              happens...I do too...hope to be as ironic as that one"

                              Should have been "It raises the bar". The application of reason is essential in the acquisition of knowledge.
                              even our Master Teacher taught in parables and needed further clarification...but yes He spoke clearly in a language the common people understood...even the kids...lest ye become like one of these...


                              I brought up the Quran because of my basis of interpretation, i.e. endorsement by the prophets.
                              ok why? Scripture interprets scripture...and when that was written that was OT scripture...and not of personal interpretation...

                              Jonah relates to signs and repentance and the idea of different messages for different audiences.
                              ok now you clarify and yes of course hearers hear different things...is why scripture and not personal interpretation...or outside sources like Quran should be a basis

                              so we have signs 3 days? and repentance last hope for a lost generation

                              Sabbath in Hebrew is שבת, and relates to שבע, meaning seven or oath.
                              among other things yes...and a perpetual one with His people...those that obey Him...His Way not some outside tradition...and overcome...

                              Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign[אות] between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] YHWH that doth sanctify you.
                              Exodus 31:13
                              right...Yah does sanctify first the Sabbath at creation and then any of those that seek to keep it Holy...your generations He was addressing was a mixed multitude of both Native and Foreigner...is WHY the Sabbath alone of all commandments includes the Stranger

                              The Hebrew word אות can be pronounced as owat or oath.
                              yes no false swears or as Yahushua affirmed best not to swear at all...


                              The title of son of man was never an exclusive one.
                              true...and?

                              [quote This ambiguity relates to the phrase "for my name's sake":[/quote] ambiguity?...what where?...not for one understanding the OT its ENTIRE intend was exactly that...ALL to the sake of Yah's name...not the name man wishes to make for himself since the tower of Babel...

                              Acts 9
                              15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the Children of Israel.
                              16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
                              and now yet another name YAHushua was included...an just as in the OT...a blessing TO THE GENTILES...you know the Strangers in the Sabbath commandment...house of prayer for ALL nations...


                              That's an oversimplification, in spades.
                              someone has to do it...LOL...it's accurate...the whole OT for His name's sake...repent...here's HOW...oh and WHY...and well WHEN...the festivals including Sabbath...the pole setter in the race around the clock...of course the OT failed as it only was a sign...as Paul put it shadows which ARE pointing to better things to come...STILL TO COME...even after the DBR and ascension of Yahushua...and thus now we have a TRUE High Priest...to help us with our HOW to repent and WHY to repent and WHICH and WHEN to do works fitting that repentance...

                              New Attempt...contract...covenant...dealing with sin...SAME SIN as it is the SAME LAW...but now put into the hearts and minds of not just blood jews but INNER Jews...those not just circumcised outwardly but CUT in their hearts...by His LAW...not new Law or Son's updated new and improved Law...but the same as He is ONE with the Father...odd we are His brother...if we keep the commandments...is why Heb 4:9 steals a Hebrew word to state in greek what still binds His people...a Sabbatismos...


                              While gratitude is important I don't know of anything about sacrifice of thanks.
                              is why Scripture is useful...you know when that was written to Timothy ONLY the OT was available...

                              Here is a quick refresher:

                              https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict...hank-offering/

                              Thank offerings did not deal with sin...or repentance...but like the Passover His WRATH passed over the sin full obedient...thank offerings continue that gratitude for that GRACE...thanks for passing us over...allowing us to live and love others as you do us...on earth as it is in heaven...sacrifices of thanks are aslo a sign of obedience of His people...and now offered with our lips...





                              The sacrifices of Elohim [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O Elohim, thou wilt not despise.
                              Psalms 51:19
                              yes repentance to turn from your rebellion and become an "inner Jew...with circumcised heart" as Paul said. We die daily to ourselves and rise IN HIM...where there are no more Jews or goyim but full citizens of Israel...

                              "Mercy rather than Sacrifice" Yahushua repeated to the Pharisees...the whole temple and sacrifices was PLAN B...merely a sign to what He wanted PLAN A...direct restoration of relationship...mercy is LOVE...to serve...be humble...forgive as you are forgiven...and thus fulfill the Law...go and sin no more...according to His still IMMUTABLE Law


                              Both YHWH and the Messiah taught perfection.
                              of course and because in order to live where I AM we HAVE TO BE HOLY AND PURE...we must be restored to how it was in EDEN...you know where HE was and His Sabbath...which was spared the curse of all things created...time was spared...

                              who of us with sin could walk on HOLY GROUND up to the throne? SIN had to be DESTROYED...so He had a plan...

                              again...the entire OT was HOW...and WHY...and WHEN...to be set aside, sanctified and be made Holy...as the Sabbath is Holy...

                              Yes just like in sports...I teach tennis and its rules fully expecting them NEVER to be broken...and for my students to serve an ACE every single time...and I encourage them that some day they will...that is the Spirit...but well guess what...

                              and as with Israel not even Sabbath or circumcision or any of the rules perfected them...and YET..."do what they teach from Moses seat" remains Yahushua's instruction...If you love Me...do this and live...He confirmed...


                              If you trace similar ideas from different prophets you can get insight about their meaning
                              what that Sabbath is a sign and seal...well sure...and I don't need the Quran as well sorry...they are NOT His people...as they do not follow Him HIS WAY...close but the fruits are still different...even in he Law of biology a grafted branch must be in the same genome/family as the trunk...they are close with diet etc but still NOT Sabbath keeping...tragically believing lying Jews which claim it is ONLY for them...and not what the great prophet said "made for man"...not just Jews...but goyim too...



                              Paul started out by teaching the gospel of repentance but later on preached his own gospel:

                              Galatians 1
                              8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed
                              only if you believe Paul was teaching as the lying slandering Jews claimed of poor Stephen that he taught that "Yahushua changed the customs Moses delivered to us" Acts 6:14...but LUKE was clear in verse 13 that these were false witnesses...to stir up the people...

                              Paul multiple times at his trial denied doing so and did NOT teach "Yahushua changed the customs of Moses" is why he was spared...

                              do you really think that if Paul taught the Sabbath was done away with and Jews could finally eat cats bats rats and wombats that Pharisees would defend him in the Sanhedrin? Act 23:9...LOL

                              Sorry my mystical friend...please do NOT believe the Jewish myths and let fancy words steal your reward...Paul did NOT teach another gospel...nor did Peter...keeping kosher as well...

                              Both merely restored the OT Promise to the gentiles teaching that in Yahushua neither Jew or goyim but a new man joined from the both...as citizen of the commonwealth of Israel...grafted into adopted into...and in HIM the enmity was abolished between Jew and goyim...all those rules Jews make and made to claim Sabbath is just for them were by Him IN HIM done away with...

                              and as Isaiah says "from New Moon to New Moon Sabbath to Sabbath ALL flesh will come and worship"...restored to live where "I AM" is...HalleluYah

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                              • #75
                                Sorry for the late response.

                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                most do not...most forget this letter was to gentiles coming into, being grafted into, becoming citizens of not by blood Israel and were learning the ways of the sect known as “the Way” Acts 24:14, 28:22
                                This letter was to gentiles free from the law by the sacrifice of Christ and thus not to be judged by those still under the law.

                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                sure it does...because most read it as “was/were” and thus done away with...the same claim Jews charged poor Stephen with “For we have heard him say...Yahushua will...change the customs which Moses delivered to us” Acts 6:14 Luke called them false witnesses (verse 13) as poor Stephen was NOT teaching “these shadows “were” now done away with...”
                                And yet Paul taught the gentile converts that they were not under the law. Stephen, on the other hand, preached to those under the law.

                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                HalleluYah and not just by Jews but by His people Heb 4:9 and not just Sabbath but obviously Pentecost and Passover and the fall Atonement Acts 27:9 and not just Peter continued abstain from unclean foods...and as the Jerusalem Council Acts 15 concluded no strangled meat or with blood...Sabbath continuance affirmed by James verse 21
                                Again, to those under the law.


                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                Paul was instructing “let no one judge you...but the body of Christ”
                                Paul was teaching that the Body of Christ (those not under the law) should not allow themselves to be judged under the law.


                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                you did agree “sabbath keeping was still going on”...
                                Indeed it was, by those still under the law.


                                Originally posted by clefty View Post
                                As shown earlier Paul did not have to explain the oddity of the annual sabbaths abrogated and the weekly Sabbath continued as they ARE a shadow of good things to come...still...in 2020...
                                Again, the "are" in Colossians 2:16 references the sabbath keeping of those still under the law. Namely everyone being ministered to by every other apostle.


                                As to the original point of what exactly the "sabbath" refers to in Colossians 2:26, every original greek translation I can find shows it to be σαββάτων (sabbatōn), which are the weekly sabbaths.

                                God is not a thing in the world.

                                If history has taught us anything, it's that science has always been wrong.

                                I thank God for shotguns.

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