why own a gun?

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Why own a gun?

To save the innocent from evil intentions:

please read the last 3 pages of this thread, you may find a different Way

I do not understand how a tool can be held accountable instead of the evil heart that turns it into a weapon against innocent blood.

a gun used for target shootin or hunting is a tool.
a gun used for protection is a weapon

 

[Nineveh]

Abraham went to get Lot with arms, not flowers. Just so you will know, I don't own a gun. I appriciate what they have done to build this nation and the expert craftsmanship that has gone into making them, however. With that said, the evil heart of a man intent on harming my family may wish I did have a gun once he realizes my choice of tool to defend innocent blood, though

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Nineveh

Abraham went to get Lot with arms, not flowers. Just so you will know, I don't own a gun. I appriciate what they have done to build this nation and the expert craftsmanship that has gone into making them, however. With that said, the evil heart of a man intent on harming my family may wish I did have a gun once he realizes my choice of tool to defend innocent blood, though

Jesus gave you that right Ninevah.

you can live by the sword, or live by the Word

 

[Nineveh]

... or I can live by the Word and protect the innocent blood in my home against the evil intentions of men's hearts.

Standing by to watch an evil man act out his unchecked desire is not Godly, it's godless.

 

[aharvey]

Originally posted by BillyBob

And a .45 is great for killing a man. [or a really angry woman]

Speaking from personal experience, a 30.06 rifle can slow a guy down too!

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Nineveh

... or I can live by the Word and protect the innocent blood in my home against the evil intentions of men's hearts.

Standing by to watch an evil man act out his unchecked desire is not Godly, it's godless.

please teach me then

protect, YES.


with a weapon, NOPE.

please teach me these words of kill my brother you speak of.
i have never seen them

 

[Aimiel]

Originally posted by brother Willi

a gun used for target shootin or hunting is a tool.
a gun used for protection is a weapon

So please enlighten us, did Jesus intend for Peter to use his sword for target shooting or hunting? He said we were to buy swords. I take that as 'handgun' in today's vernacular.

 

[Aimiel]

They do not carry the sword in vain. I guess if we had one policeman for every human being, and they escorted us everywhere we went we wouldn't need to own guns. I don't believe that The Lord wants us to allow some fool in the middle of the night to be allowed to have his way with our family, but that we are to defend them, and protect them from all harm. 911 might get you a cop, if they're not busy at the moment, but Smith & Wesson will get you peace of mind, and a much quieter perpetrator, while you wait.

 

[aharvey]

I just stumbled onto this thread, so pardon me for being many post behind current. I usually keep to the Origins section, but it's been quiet lately, and this one's too good to pass up.

Originally posted by Turbo

But clearly Jesus did not think it was immoral to arm one's self with a sword, right? He told them earlier that day to get swords.

Turbo, I think Sozo (of all people) pointed out that you're kinda overlooking the reason He instructed them to get swords. What say you?

Originally posted by Turbo

As for "for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword," this is not a call for pacifism you hope it is. On the contrary, it is a call for the death penalty for murderers.

Turbo, for someone who looovvves to interpret the Bible as much as you do, this is quite an amazing stretch. Jesus was calling for the death penalty here? In the context of the incident (you know, Peter cutting off the slave’s ear with a sword and being reprimanded by Jesus, who then undoes the injury caused by the sword Peter wielded in Jesus’s defense), can you please explain how you could possibly see a call for the death penalty in Jesus saying “for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword�?

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by brother Willi

please teach me these words of kill my brother you speak of.

Why would you consider an evildoer, i.e. someone breaking into your house, your "brother"?



Also, I think chandru46 is starting to speak better English than you. You might consider asking him to teach you some things like grammer, proper use of capitalization, syntax, etc.

 

[Turbo]

Originally posted by aharvey

Turbo, I think Sozo (of all people) pointed out that you're kinda overlooking the reason He instructed them to get swords. What say you?

Sozo is correct as usual. But if it were wrong to carry swords, Jesus would not have told them to do so. If Jesus wanted to be counted among criminals, he also could have instructed his followers to go mug a few people. But of course He would never do that. By carrying swords that day they were able to be regarded as criminals while committing no crime.

Turbo, for someone who looovvves to interpret the Bible as much as you do, this is quite an amazing stretch. Jesus was calling for the death penalty here? In the context of the incident (you know, Peter cutting off the slave’s ear with a sword and being reprimanded by Jesus, who then undoes the injury caused by the sword Peter wielded in Jesus’s defense), can you please explain how you could possibly see a call for the death penalty in Jesus saying “for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword�?

If Peter hadn't stopped when Jesus warned him and ended up killing that Roman officer, he would have been executed.

 

[aharvey]

Originally posted by Turbo

Sozo is correct as usual. But if it were wrong to carry swords, Jesus would not have told them to do so. If Jesus wanted to be counted among criminals, he also could have instructed his followers to go mug a few people. But of course He would never do that. By carrying swords that day they were able to be regarded as criminals while committing no crime.

So Jesus chose swords specifically because He considered sword-carrying to be a good thing even though it technically made the carriers criminals? Interesting extrapolation...

Originally posted by Turbo

If Peter hadn't stopped when Jesus warned him and ended up killing that Roman officer, he would have been executed.

And THAT'S the basis for your claim that Jesus was calling for the death penalty? Way beyond interesting extrapolation, though!

 

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Aimiel

So please enlighten us, did Jesus intend for Peter to use his sword for target shooting or hunting? He said we were to buy swords. I take that as 'handgun' in today's vernacular.

I'd rather have a handgun than a sword, it's much easier to concele and you don't have to get real close to the person you are about to kill. :dead:

 

[BillyBob]

Originally posted by Lucky

Why would you consider an evildoer, i.e. someone breaking into your house, your "brother"?
.

The person breaking into Brother Wackie's house is his brother, but the posters at this website are vipers! :dunce:

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by BillyBob

I'd rather have a handgun than a sword, it's much easier to concele and you don't have to get real close to the person you are about to kill. :dead:

But you can't use a handgun to help you fix a sandwich in a pinch...

... unless, of course, you count sticking up a Burger King... :think:

 

[the Sibbie]

Originally posted by BillyBob

The person breaking into Brother Wackie's house is his brother, but the posters at this website are vipers! :dunce:

AMEN!! :ha:

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Aimiel

So please enlighten us, did Jesus intend for Peter to use his sword for target shooting or hunting? He said we were to buy swords. I take that as 'handgun' in today's vernacular.

did Sozo and aharvey explain this?

strange you see the Word saying He said we were to buy swords.

can you show me WE

 

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by Lucky

Why would you consider an evildoer, i.e. someone breaking into your house, your "brother"?

You took the words right outta my mouth :lucky: ....

bW,
How might you protect your family against an armed villian unarmed?

The command is, "Thou shalt not murder". Murder is the unlawful taking of life.

 

[brother Willi]

Originally posted by Nineveh

You took the words right outta my mouth :lucky: ....

bW,
How might you protect your family against an armed villian unarmed?

Faith, trust in God, THE WORD

let go of the sword

The command is, "Thou shalt not murder". Murder is the unlawful taking of life.

when does Jesus teach you your enemies life is yours to take?

your enemies life belongs to God.

 

[brother Willi]

CAn anyone show me where Jesus said

"WE are to buy swords"