ECT There is one Gospel/salvation, Heb 2:3

[dodge]

According to Peter, when do they get the grace?
1 Peter 1

according to Vs.3 comes straight from Jesus !


“3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1 KJ)

In what Peter said in those verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.
4.Grace

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

according to Vs.3 comes straight from Jesus !


“3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” (1 Peter 1 KJ)

In what Peter said in those verses you have :

1. The D.B.R.
2. Salvation
3. Salvation by faith in Jesus.
4.Grace

According to Peter, when do they get the grace?
1 Peter 1

 

[Right Divider]

What is that then? Could you give scripture?

1Thess 4:16-18 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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The Jews who believe in Jesus are saved just like anyone else. All were bound to the same place, condemnation. So tell me how those condemned people are going to get another chance at salvation that no one else will get?

Until the final judgment, everyone has a chance to trust the LORD.

Jesus won’t sit on an earthly throne in this world. Jesus is on the throne now and it is a throne above everything. When he comes again it will be at the great white throne judgment in the sky.

Nope, you've got tons of stuff missing.

Luke 1:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. (1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: (1:33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
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[dodge]

According to Peter, when do they get the grace?
1 Peter 1

STP, you can nit pick and ignore what Peter preached but it is all there the whole Gospel of Grace.

Still love ya in Jesus but snap quit being a keeper of the empty jug.

 

[God's Truth]

1Thess 4:16-18 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I already explained that time as being the time of the resurrection.
It is the great white throne judgment when people are saved and the wrath of God comes on the world.

Do you believe that that is the time Jesus calls up to him Jews who rejected him?!

 

[Right Divider]

Tell me this, if Jesus is only going to rule with Jews, why then does he tell the Jews that they will be thrown out and those with much faith like the Centurion man will be with him?

Matthew 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! As you have believed, so will it be done for you.” And his servant was healed at that very hour.

He will rule all from His throne in Jerusalem.

The kings of the gentiles will come to Jerusalem to pay their respects:

Rev 21:24-26 (AKJV/PCE)​

(21:24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (21:25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. (21:26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
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It's all very clear.

 

[steko]

Jhn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Are you taking that scripture to mean that the Lord Jesus has always been ruling from the throne of David?


David's throne was not even established or mentioned until a 1000 years after Abraham.

These verses affirm that Christ will rule from David's throne on this earth over Israel in the future:

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isa_16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

 

[God's Truth]

He will rule all from His throne in Jerusalem.

The kings of the gentiles will come to Jerusalem to pay their respects:

Rev 21:24-26 (AKJV/PCE)​

(21:24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. (21:25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. (21:26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
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It's all very clear.

...the sons of the kingdom will be THROWN out.

 

[Right Divider]

I already explained that time as being the time of the resurrection.

The dead raised at the catching away are not all believers. They are body believers. Kingdom believers will be resurrected into the kingdom on earth.

It is the great white throne judgment when people are saved and the wrath of God comes on the world.

The great white throne judgement comes at the very end of it all.

Do you believe that that is the time Jesus calls up to him Jews who rejected him?!

It is the time that Jesus calls up ALL that rejected Him.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

STP, you can nit pick and ignore what Peter preached but it is all there the whole Gospel of Grace.

Still love ya in Jesus but snap quit being a keeper of the empty jug.

"ignore what Peter preached" says dodge

When did Peter say the grace was coming? 1 Peter 1.

It's clear, dodge. You just don't like it.

 

[Right Divider]

...the sons of the kingdom will be THROWN out.

So you do not believe Rev 21? Got it.

 

[God's Truth]

Are you taking that scripture to mean that the Lord Jesus has always been ruling from the throne of David?


David's throne was not even established or mentioned until a 1000 years after Abraham.

These verses affirm that Christ will rule from David's throne on this earth over Israel in the future:

The throne of David was the throne that belonged to God.

The Israelites wanted an earthly man over them, and that is when God gave them Saul as the king, and then David.

 

[God's Truth]

He will rule all from His throne in Jerusalem.

Jesus is ruling now in the heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[steko]

I already explained that time as being the time of the resurrection.
It is the great white throne judgment when people are saved and the wrath of God comes on the world.

You've 'splained it, but that's not what it is.

Paul is referring to a mystery that is something Christ in heaven revealed to him that concerns the BOC and is not found in prophecy.

 

[Right Divider]

The throne of David was the throne that belonged to God.

The Israelites wanted an earthly man over them, and that is when God gave them Saul as the king, and then David.

Luke 1:31-33 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. (1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: (1:33) And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

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[dodge]

Are you taking that scripture to mean that the Lord Jesus has always been ruling from the throne of David?

No Jesus has always been. The point was Jesus existed before Abraham was even born !

Jesus will not rule from David's throne is what I was getting at He will rule as King of Kings and Lord of Lords from His "OWN" throne.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus is ruling now in the heavenly Jerusalem.

Rev 3:21 (AKJV/PCE)​

(3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. ​

 

[God's Truth]

The dead raised at the catching away are not all believers. They are body believers. Kingdom believers will be resurrected into the kingdom on earth.

No way, all who are saved in Jesus will be caught up in the air with him, not the unbelieving, cut off Jews.

The great white throne judgement comes at the very end of it all.

When Jesus comes again it is at the end.

It is the time that Jesus calls up ALL that rejected Him.

No, I am talking about calling the saved up in the clouds to meet him.

 

[dodge]

"ignore what Peter preached" says dodge

When did Peter say the grace was coming? 1 Peter 1.

It's clear, dodge. You just don't like it.

Grace is there read it until God allows you to see it.

Un-like MAdist I believe "all" scripture is for the B.O.C. as Paul taught !

2Ti 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[steko]

The throne of David was the throne that belonged to God.

The Israelites wanted an earthly man over them, and that is when God gave them Saul as the king, and then David.

Of course it belonged to GOD, but GOD didn't begin what is called David's throne until He established it for David by an irrevocable promise to David and his blood descendants. 2Sam 7.

Sure, the Israelites wanted a physical king like the nations around them but GOD had already provided for Israel an eventual physical king in Deut 17, as well as through the loins of Abraham, as promised.