new jerusalem
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Ben Masada
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You are totally mistaken Caino. The gospel of Jesus was called Judaism. That's why Jesus said that salvation is achieved by listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)That's what Paul hated and you all are mistaken about him.
Jesus said
-love God and your neighbor
-and
-all the law hangs on that
-one is the spirit of the law
-and
-the other is the letter
The Jews don't even practice the law anymore, and the enemies of Jesus in Judaism completely disagree with your bizarre claim. Judaism is an evolved religion of grossly exaggerated historical tradition created by Zionist false prophets who still sit in tiny Jerusalem waiting for their Messiah who is MIA.
Luke was a Jew who never knew Jesus and sought to make Jesus the fulfillment of the corrupt Old Testament. He portrayed Jesus as the fulfillment of the OT. Jesus would be better served by being rescued from the Bible box altogether and let Judaism get back to Pagan blood sacrifices and self important ruminations.
Luke was a Jew who never knew Jesus and sought to make Jesus the fulfillment of the corrupt Old Testament. He portrayed Jesus as the fulfillment of the OT. Jesus would be better served by being rescued from the Bible box altogether and let Judaism get back to Pagan blood sacrifices and self important ruminations.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Archetypal City............
Archetypal City............
Note there are a dozen or more views about the so called 'New Jerusalem' in the wiki article.
It's section on Catholicism's view is below. Focus on the underlined and bold -
As allegorical as I am....I don't see Rome as the 'new Jerusalem' since its historical roots are more pagan, although a more liberal Catholic may think "all roads lead to Rome"
It's more logical to allocate a renewed city of peace being centralized in or correlated with the geographical zone of 'Old Jerusalem' in some way, albeit being a spiritual condition or state. In any case this heavenly city is from above, not below....although a physical city may be a representation or prototype.
Archetypal City............
Note there are a dozen or more views about the so called 'New Jerusalem' in the wiki article.
It's section on Catholicism's view is below. Focus on the underlined and bold -
As allegorical as I am....I don't see Rome as the 'new Jerusalem' since its historical roots are more pagan, although a more liberal Catholic may think "all roads lead to Rome"
It's more logical to allocate a renewed city of peace being centralized in or correlated with the geographical zone of 'Old Jerusalem' in some way, albeit being a spiritual condition or state. In any case this heavenly city is from above, not below....although a physical city may be a representation or prototype.
jerusalem was the center of the jewish world
-new jerusalem is the center of the christian world
-that would be rome
-the church would not have survived in jerusalem
-the church would not have survived in constantinople
-the church did survive in rome
-the new jerusalem
-new jerusalem is the center of the christian world
-that would be rome
-the church would not have survived in jerusalem
-the church would not have survived in constantinople
-the church did survive in rome
-the new jerusalem
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
:chuckle:
it's rome
That's what the Bible says. Oh, that's right, you're catholic, you barely know your Bible
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
0% chance.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
What little he does know, and what little he has heard, he does not believe.
He'd rather cook up harebrained theories.
heir
TOL Subscriber
and because all scripture is not his final authority, he'll not be corrected!
Ben Masada
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Luke was not a Jew but a Greek Doctor daily companion of Paul. You are not reading your NT. Luke was second to none among the disciples of Paul as Replacement Theology was concerned. I agree with you that Jesus would be better served by being rescued from the NT. Anyway, he never even dreamed that the NT would ever rise. Paul locked him into the NT with a key of lies to rather project himself by proxy as the Messiah. So, the Messiah of the NT was Paul, not Jesus. Paul was the one who created Christianity. (Acts 11:26)
Ben Masada
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New Jerusalem is a reference to the "New World Order" for the Jews who returned from captivity in Babylon.
That's the original meaning as "Jerusalem" is also a reference not to the place but to the People. (Isaiah
40:1) "Comfort, oh comfort My People, says the Lord. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem." To comfort someone is to speak tenderly to him or her. So, to speak tenderly to Jerusalem is the same as to speak tenderly to the People; the whole Israel.
Nang
TOL Subscriber
Apply this to the holy city; the bride of Christ who comes down from heaven; the church consisting of all the redeemed; the spiritual "Israel". . and you have found Truth. Revelation 22:1-7
SaulToPaul 2
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Nang
TOL Subscriber
Why don't you just break down and read the Book of Hebrews? You would learn about the city that Abraham looked for, and that will answer your question.
See Hebrews 11:8-10, 14-16 and Hebrews 12:18-24 with Revelation Chapters 21 & 22.
This promise of the heavenly Jerusalem far surpasses any literal city ever built and looked upon by mankind.