ECT Article gets "the mystery" wrong

[tetelestai]

Then why do you believe the day of atonement was yet future?
The final 3 feasts fulfilled in 70ad, supposedly...

In the OC, the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and place the blood on the mercy seat. However, the atonement wasn't complete until the High Priest came back out and pronounced the atonement as being finished.

After the cross Christ Jesus entered the Most Holy of Holies in heaven, and placed His blood on the mercy seat for ALL sins for all time.

The salvation wasn't fully completed (finished) until He returned in 70AD.

The writer of Hebrews tells us that:

(Heb 9:28) so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Paul said the same thing:

(Eph 1:13-14 )... When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession...

And here:

(2 Cor 1:22) set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

And here:

(Rom 13:11) And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

Paul was a Pharisee, he understood the duties of the High Priest for the Day of Atonement.

Paul knew the atonement would be complete when Jesus returned.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

In the OC, the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and place the blood on the mercy seat. However, the atonement wasn't complete until the High Priest came back out and pronounced the atonement as being finished.

So heir is right about Acts 3.

How did the Body get atonement before the 2nd coming? Romans 6.

 

[tetelestai]

So heir is right about Acts 3.

Yes.

But she's wrong that it was only for certain people.

How did the Body get atonement before the 2nd coming? Romans 6.

While the High Priest was behind the curtain, and before he came out, the people knew they were forgiven, loved, accepted, etc. before he came back out.

Romans 6 is about sins. The sacrifice for all sins had been made.

Believers in Christ were sealed with the Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption (when Christ appeared the second time apart from sin)

That's why Paul said each day their salvation was "nearer" than when they first believed.

Paul knew the atonement would be complete when Christ Jesus appeared.

 

[tetelestai]

Also, the atonement wasn't complete as long as the temple still stood:

(Heb 9:8) The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yes.

You agree that sins were not blotted out until the 2nd coming?

 

[tetelestai]

You agree that sins were not blotted out until the 2nd coming?

Yes, Acts 3:19-22 makes it clear.

What happened in 70AD was twofold. Not only did God's wrath come upon the Jews, the atonement was completed.

Notice what Paul tells the Romans:

(Rom 2:5-6) But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”


Why is Paul telling believers in Christ about the day of God's wrath?

 

[ClimateSanity]

Yes, Acts 3:19-22 makes it clear.

What happened in 70AD was twofold. Not only did God's wrath come upon the Jews, the atonement was completed.

Notice what Paul tells the Romans:

(Rom 2:5-6) But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”


Why is Paul telling believers in Christ about the day of God's wrath?

Gods wrath came upon the Jews in much higher severity during the holocaust than during 70 AD.

Even the Masada period was much worse than 70 AD. All 70 AD did was remove their established means of worship. This was no big deal as their temple had been destroyed before.

 

[john w]

The salvation wasn't fully completed (finished) until He returned in 70AD.

The writer of Hebrews tells us that:

(Heb 9:28) so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Paul said the same thing:

(Eph 1:13-14 )... When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession...

And here:

(2 Cor 1:22) set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

And here:

(Rom 13:11) And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

What a mess this punk s. No, loser, the salvation, deliverance, spoken of in Eph. 1:13-14 KJV, 2 Cor. 1:2 KJV, and Romans 13:11 KJV, was the deliverance from the presence of sins, the adoption, the redemption of the body, promised to respective members of the boc, our glorification, as they already had "spirit/soul" salvation/deliverance from the penalty of sin/sins, which you, n your satanic perversion of 1 Cor. 15 ff, deny, on orders rom your father. You have been shown his, but your daddy devil keeps telling you to spam the above, and this:

"So, they were saved, but not technically until 70AD."-Tellalie Perverter Craige

Catch that, TOL audience? Is that like "technically pregnant, dead, alive, ....................." Craigie?

You talk like Roman Catholics, JW's talk re. this made up
"technical salvation"-they talk like you. Oh, yes-you've admitted that you are a closet Roman Catholic, asserting that the pope is "infallable"-on record.

That is what this "man made" "invention" of satanic Preterism dos to you-making things up, in order to make this satanic Preterism fly, as you end up in straight jacket, like this punk Tellalie.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yes, Acts 3:19-22 makes it clear.

Were Paul's sins not blotted out yet as he wrote his epistles?

 

[tetelestai]

Gods wrath came upon the Jews in much higher severity during the holocaust than during 70 AD.

Not for percentage of Jews killed.

What was the population of the Jews worldwide in 1939?

What was the population of the Jews in 66AD?

Once you have those numbers, take the amount of Jews killed in each event, and see which event had a greater percentage of Jews killed.

Also, 70AD marked the end of the Jewish system, the end of the temple era, etc.

This was no big deal as their temple had been destroyed before.

It was destroyed once before, then rebuilt while the Jews were captive in Babylon for 70 years.

The temple that was destroyed in 70AD was destroyed for good. There will never be another temple built.

In order for another temple to be built a perfect red heifer would be needed. There hasn't been a perfect red heifer in over 2,000 years.

There's a really good reason why there hasn't been a perfect red heifer for over 2,000 years.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Catch that, TOL audience? Is that like "technically pregnant, dead, alive, ....................." Craigie?

Remember the time that Otis got technically drunk?

 

[tetelestai]

Were Paul's sins not blotted out yet as he wrote his epistles?

No, that's why he was sealed with the Holy Spirit until that day.

(2 Cor 1:22) set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

No, that's why he was sealed with the Holy Spirit until that day.

(2 Cor 1:22) set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Was Col 2 untrue at the time he wrote it?

 

[tetelestai]

Was Col 2 untrue at the time he wrote it?

No, it was true.

 

[john w]

Remember the time that Otis got technically drunk?

That is the fate of Preterists, like drunks-they are "in denial," are "desperate." Craigie taught us that-we learned it from him.


But at least Otis had a job, unlike this punk, infidel Tellalie, Mayor.


Here comes from Craigie "Er, no....Darby....I was a drunk for 25 years....Make that 27.....I was in the wilderness of dispensationalism for 40 years, like Exodus.....Make that 38 years......Close enough.....AD 68, 70....It means the same thing, you see, well, uh, urr.....Darby.....Believe the bible.... "

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

No, it was true.

Were his sins blotted out and not blotted out at the same time?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

But at least Otis had a job, unlike this punk, infidel Tellalie, Mayor.

I forgot what Otis' occupation was, other than part time deputy.

 

[tetelestai]

Were his sins blotted out and not blotted out at the same time?

Nope.

Remember, Paul was a minister of the new covenant.

Some of the things he preached were prophetic, and not fully in place until after 70AD.

Paul went back on forth on the things that were happening and about to happen to his generation during the culmination of the ages that he lived in, and the new heavens and new earth that were soon to be in place 100%

As the writer of Hebrews tells us, there was an overlap of the two covenants.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Nope.

:chuckle:

Why not accept that the sins of the Body of Christ were blotted out before the 2nd coming? This is contrary to Acts 3.

I think I know why you won't.

 

[john w]

I forgot what Otis' occupation was, other than part time deputy.

Come to think of it, Mayor, I think he was unemployed, like Craigie, and, like Craigie, he sponged off his wife.

I recall, however, after "The Great Trib" in the late 1960's, in "Return to Mayberry," he sobered up, and was employed as the town's ice-cream man. Curious.