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john w

john w

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tetelestai said:
There is only one gospel.

Prior to 70AD the one gospel was taught differently to Jews who were born under the old covenant and law of Moses.

There wasn't two different gospels, there was one gospel taught to two completely different groups of people......One Gospel !!!!Quite trying to divide Christ.
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1. Tellalie:There is only one heaven, there is only one temple, there is only one church, there is only one piece of good news in the book!!!!Quite/Quit trying to divide Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!


Made up.

2.Tellalie:You go, saint Judas!!!!


1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV

Death
Burial
Resurrection


Luke 9 KJB
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. 3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. 4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. 5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.


Tellalie's saint Judas, preaching this alleged "only one gospel":


"Hey, everyone!!! Good news!!!The Master is going to die for our sins.....and be raised again!!!! Believe this good news, as I did, to be saved/justified!!!!! Well, gotta go-I am bullish on silver, and some Jewish brokers have a silver deal lined up for me............"


The LORD God never taught you that, punk-you had to have those "fallible" "teachings of men" men teachers, like hank Hanegraaf, teach you that.

See how that works, demon?
 
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Danoh

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Lazy afternoon said:
Only a deceptive spirit would show you two gospels of Christ.

You need deliverance fast.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

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You clearly do not understand what any of us are talking about. You only think you do.

Until you actually do understand what any of us are talking about (which is what any debate requires - actually having attempted to understand both sides of an arguement before attempting to debate it) until then, you will continue to spin your wheels in the slippery slope of your self-imposed ignorance.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Who do those passages say that Jesus is?

What do those passages assert about the origin of their good news?

What do those passages say the good news they are talking about is?

Where in those passages does it say anything about Jesus dying for sins?

Solve for those - don't "yes, but" them; just solve for what they are talking about at that time - at what they announce there they open up with, and as, "the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."

Can you do that much; are you willing?

Or do you actually want to continue to debate the other side not even knowing what they are talking about other than what you have erroneously concluded they are talking about because you're too busy being destracted by your ideas of demons behind every bush?

You brought this up - let's see how much you really care - lets just explore those very simple questions about those four passages.

I mean, get on the other guy's level before you attempt to get in there and debate him.
 
heir

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Lazy afternoon said:
There is only one Gospel of Christ.

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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That ain't it.

This is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
 
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heir said:
Don't be silly

1 Corinthians 15:2 KJV Ephesians 2:5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

vs.

1 Peter 1:13 KJV
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What nonsense. Paul also talks about some grace future tense, aka hope. But you're just ignoring v19 anyway, because it sounds too much like Paul.

You are strain to make the thing divided where it should not be. It is divisive, and you are an amateur at the homework about it.
 
heir

heir

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Interplanner said:
What nonsense. Paul also talks about some grace future tense, aka hope. But you're just ignoring v19 anyway, because it sounds too much like Paul.

You are strain to make the thing divided where it should not be. It is divisive, and you are an amateur at the homework about it.
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:blabla:

We are saved by grace NOW. We are not waiting for a grace that should come unto us.
 
tetelestai

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heir said:
We are saved by grace NOW. We are not waiting for a grace that should come unto us.
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That's correct, but it wasn't that way until 70AD

(Eph 1:13-14 KJV)

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The "redemption of the purchased possession" didn't happen until Christ Jesus returned in 70AD

(Heb 9:28 KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

That's why Paul told the Romans their salvation was nearer today than when they first believed:

(Rom 13:11 KJV) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
 
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Danoh

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tetelestai said:
That's correct, but it wasn't that way until 70AD

(Eph 1:13-14 KJV)

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The "redemption of the purchased possession" didn't happen until Christ Jesus returned in 70AD

(Heb 9:28 KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

That's why Paul told the Romans their salvation was nearer today than when they first believed:

(Rom 13:11 KJV) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
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Zzzzzzzzzz
 
tetelestai

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heir said:
still waiting
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(Acts 3:19) Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Prior to the cross, there was no way for someone's sins to be wiped out.

Quit following Darby and Bullinger, and start believing what the Bible says.
 
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Danoh

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tetelestai said:
(Acts 3:19) Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Prior to the cross, there was no way for someone's sins to be wiped out.

Quit following Darby and Bullinger, and start believing what the Bible says.
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Told you you don't know Dispensationalism.

Neither Acts 2 Dispensationalism (Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Ryrie) nor O'Hair's, Baker's, Stam's, Jordan's Mid-Acts, nor Welch's, Bullinger's, Allen's Acts 28 Dispensationalism hold that the Twelve's and their follower's salvation was yet future.

The belief otherwise is a recent understanding held by very few within Mid-Acts.

You do NOT know Dispensationalism, T.

You know ABOUT it.
 
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Danoh said:
You clearly do not understand what any of us are talking about. You only think you do.

Until you actually do understand what any of us are talking about (which is what any debate requires - actually having attempted to understand both sides of an arguement before attempting to debate it) until then, you will continue to spin your wheels in the slippery slope of your self-imposed ignorance.

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Who do those passages say that Jesus is?

What do those passages assert about the origin of their good news?

What do those passages say the good news they are talking about is?

Where in those passages does it say anything about Jesus dying for sins?

Solve for those - don't "yes, but" them; just solve for what they are talking about at that time - at what they announce there they open up with, and as, "the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."

Can you do that much; are you willing?

Or do you actually want to continue to debate the other side not even knowing what they are talking about other than what you have erroneously concluded they are talking about because you're too busy being destracted by your ideas of demons behind every bush?

You brought this up - let's see how much you really care - lets just explore those very simple questions about those four passages.

I mean, get on the other guy's level before you attempt to get in there and debate him.
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I can not get so low.

You talk so self righteously.

I am way ahead of you.


The sacrifice for sin required by God was well known in Israel through the Temple teachings.

Paul himself obeyed the command of water baptism and also taught the same.

If you are MAD, then you reject the word of Peter he received from Christ to preach, whereby obeying believers could enter into the Kingdom of the King.

You also reject the ordinance of bread and wine, which while is full of spiritual meaning , you reject that too.

If you are MAD then you claim Jesus is not now the High Priest over the house of God.

You have nothing in common with the true Christians.

JWs, who MAD condemns, accept more of the Bible than MAD does.

It is not a matter of debate or argument, it is a matter of truth.



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Danoh

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Lazy afternoon said:
I can not get so low.

You talk so self righteously.

I am way ahead of you.


The sacrifice for sin required by God was well known in Israel through the Temple teachings.

Paul himself obeyed the command of water baptism and also taught the same.

If you are MAD, then you reject the word of Peter he received from Christ to preach, whereby obeying believers could enter into the Kingdom of the King.

You also reject the ordinance of bread and wine, which while is full of spiritual meaning , you reject that too.

If you are MAD then you claim Jesus is not now the High Priest over the house of God.

You have nothing in common with the true Christians.

JWs, who MAD condemns, accept more of the Bible than MAD does.

It is not a matter of debate or argument, it is a matter of truth.



LA
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May you stay ahead of me...
 
heir

heir

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Danoh said:
Told you you don't know Dispensationalism.

Neither Acts 2 Dispensationalism (Darby, Scofield, Chafer, Ryrie) nor O'Hair's, Baker's, Stam's, Jordan's Mid-Acts, nor Welch's, Bullinger's, Allen's Acts 28 Dispensationalism hold that the Twelve's and their follower's salvation was yet future.

The belief otherwise is a recent understanding held by very few within Mid-Acts.
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They most certainly are looking forward to the blotting out of their sins! They have remission of sins (Acts 2:38 KJV) looking unto the times of refreshing for the blotting out of sins (Acts 3:19-21 KJV). It's God's covenant unto them, when He shall take away their sins (Romans 11:26-27 KJV, Hebrews 8:8-13 KJV).

Simple stuff for the Bible believer.
 
tetelestai

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heir said:
They most certainly are looking forward to the blotting out of their sins! They have remission of sins (Acts 2:38 KJV) looking unto the times of refreshing for the blotting out of sins (Acts 3:19-21 KJV). It's God's covenant unto them, when He shall take away their sins (Romans 11:26-27 KJV, Hebrews 8:8-13 KJV).

Simple stuff for the Bible believer.
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You're not a Bible believer. You're a follower of Darby and Bullinger.

Sins were taken away at the cross. All sins were taken away at the cross.

You should try reading the OT sometime. The part about what the High Priest does on the Day of Atonement.
 
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