You deserve this!
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elohiym
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You don't know the definition of the word deserve? :shocked: Here it is from Merriam Webster:
de·served de·serv·ing
transitive verb
: to be worthy of : merit <deserves another chance>
intransitive verb
: to be worthy, fit, or suitable for some reward or requital <have become recognized as they deserve — T. S. Eliot>
transitive verb
: to be worthy of : merit <deserves another chance>
intransitive verb
: to be worthy, fit, or suitable for some reward or requital <have become recognized as they deserve — T. S. Eliot>
Clearly the definition implies a sense of justice, as do all the synonyms without exception.
I just did! :banana:
elohiym
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:rotfl:
Implying a sense of justice, i.e. to earn.
When is something undeserved, in your opinion?
I explained the meanings of the word "deserve" in a previous rape thread. I find it baffling that you people are still debating this.
"Deserve" is said in many ways. Yes, deserve always implies a sense of justice, but "justice" itself can be used in different ways. We talk about such a thing as "poetic justice," for example, which is not really justice in the strict, primary sense, and "poetic justice" has related to it a correlate sense of "deserve," which is, again, not truly desert in the primary, strict sense.
Do you wish for me again to make an enumeration of the different senses of "deserve"?
Agreed! Not only was his death undeserved but to be treated in such a despicable manner when you are powerless is also undeserved.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
When you grow a heart you may speak.
yep
but nobody ever listens to you
No. No they don't. :nono:
glorydaz
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Yes, do it again.
It's like the word "reward". Reward is used as a positive or a negative.
2 Timothy 4:14
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Psalm 103:10
He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
Ezra 9:13
And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this;
Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Psalm 103:10
He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
Ezra 9:13
And after all that is come upon us for our evil deeds, and for our great trespass, seeing that thou our God hast punished us less than our iniquities deserve, and hast given us such deliverance as this;
glorydaz
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True.
Ok. Once again, an enumeration of the senses of "deserve."
1. "Deserve" in the strict sense implies what is due according to justice. Thus if I loan you 5 dollars, I deserve to be paid 5 dollars (or the equivalent monetary amount adjusting for inflation, or else, again, a good or service equivalent to 5 dollars to which I have agreed) back. You commit an injustice against me if you refuse to repay me.
2. Again, "deserve" can indicate poetic justice. Thus, someone who gets away with murder "deserves" to be murdered himself. We often say that such an occurrence is "karmic justice" or "cosmic justice." Strictly speaking, the person who murdered the murderer committed an injustice; nonetheless, the person who himself was murdered "deserved it" or "had it coming to him."
3. Again, "deserve" can indicate a linking together of apparent cause and effect. Thus, if I close my eyes and run straight ahead at full speed, I "deserve" to run into a brick wall. "I had it coming" and "I should have known better."
1. "Deserve" in the strict sense implies what is due according to justice. Thus if I loan you 5 dollars, I deserve to be paid 5 dollars (or the equivalent monetary amount adjusting for inflation, or else, again, a good or service equivalent to 5 dollars to which I have agreed) back. You commit an injustice against me if you refuse to repay me.
2. Again, "deserve" can indicate poetic justice. Thus, someone who gets away with murder "deserves" to be murdered himself. We often say that such an occurrence is "karmic justice" or "cosmic justice." Strictly speaking, the person who murdered the murderer committed an injustice; nonetheless, the person who himself was murdered "deserved it" or "had it coming to him."
3. Again, "deserve" can indicate a linking together of apparent cause and effect. Thus, if I close my eyes and run straight ahead at full speed, I "deserve" to run into a brick wall. "I had it coming" and "I should have known better."
genuineoriginal
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deserve
1250-1300; Middle English deserven < Anglo-French, Old French deservir, Latin dēservīre to devote oneself to the service of, equivalent to dē- de- + servīre to serve
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Devoting oneself to serve does not imply a sense of justicedeserve
1250-1300; Middle English deserven < Anglo-French, Old French deservir, Latin dēservīre to devote oneself to the service of, equivalent to dē- de- + servīre to serve
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It implies a causal relationship.
Furthermore, since we are still talking about this nonsense, I suppose I'll weigh in on whether or not women "deserve" to be raped in any of the senses that I have enumerated:
1. Rape is never deserved in the sense of 1 (what is due according to justice). Rape as such implies injustice.
2. Rape may be deserved in the sense of 2 (what is due according to poetic justice). Thus do we have a tendency to make jokes about prison rape, especially when it comes to criminals who have committed particularly heinous crimes.
3. Rape may be deserved in the sense of 3 (what is reasonably foreseeable as though by cause and effect). "You left your drink unattended at a fraternity party? What did you expect to happen, lady?"
1. Rape is never deserved in the sense of 1 (what is due according to justice). Rape as such implies injustice.
2. Rape may be deserved in the sense of 2 (what is due according to poetic justice). Thus do we have a tendency to make jokes about prison rape, especially when it comes to criminals who have committed particularly heinous crimes.
3. Rape may be deserved in the sense of 3 (what is reasonably foreseeable as though by cause and effect). "You left your drink unattended at a fraternity party? What did you expect to happen, lady?"
glorydaz
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Yes, I recognize the little god syndrome.
1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
1PeaceMaker
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So then you should agree with the OP.
Let's see the definition of poetic justice, then.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/poetic-justice?q=poetic+justice
They better all imply justice is served.
I'm afraid that you do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear.
1PeaceMaker
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At least we agree on this point.
But a woman who hasn't raped anybody can't reap poetic justice, either.
It's not reasonable for someone to poison your drink, therefore it isn't ever deserved. People have to look out for each other because unjust, unreasonable predators are in our midst. That doesn't make the victims deserving of anything.
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