Ye must be born again !
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beloved57
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I know right ? Lol..
Jesus spoke of a waxed gross heart. He said those whose hearts were waxed gross were not given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom.
These were everyone who Jesus encountered except His disciples. (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16)
What is a waxed gross heart and how is this related to being 'born again'?
This seems important because one must be given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom before one can actually know the mysteries of God's kingdom. And one need to know the mysteries of God's kingdom in order to be saved and delivered.
beloved57
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The gospel of the kingdom of God is nothing in the O.T. and a very small amount of the things in the KJV N.T.
The gospel of the kingdom of God is seriously mistake to be the entire Bible. It is really only the gospel of un-circumcision which was committed only onto Paul.
When Jesus was physically on earth, it was given for only his disciples to know the mysteries of God's kingdom. If at all, at that time, these mysteries were delivered, they were delivered only to His disciples in very private session among only them and not delivered to anyone else (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 30)
It seem that (at the end of it all) only Paul received this gospel, directly from the Spirit of Jesus through his own heart or spirit and not in physically spoken or physically written words.
After Jesus physically left those precincts, Paul had communion with the regenerated the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus and this Spirit revealed the Gospel of un-circumcision to him through his own heart or spirit. This was the first revelation of the Gospel of un-circumcision to anyone in that area of earth and to anyone who has come up through the Moses-ian path way.
This gospel was committed onto only Paul. This is founded on righteousness of God without the law.
This is the gospel which must be published and made know in accuracy, totality and clarity in all land. This is the gospel of un-circumcision. It is not the entire Bible. It is the Bible freed of parables and free of guidance for the unaware and freed of Moses-ism whether original or revised. It is the purified Bible. The Gospel of God's kingdom of heaven is Truth and only Truth, in totality, accuracy and clarity.
I am called to this purpose, by God, in the body of Christ. Those who empower me will be among the chosen few.
Access to this gospel is gained only when one's hearts is not or no longer waxed gross (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 30).
Moving from having a heart that is waxed gross to having a heart that is not waxed gross is the act of becoming 'born again'. This is the act of awakening to (or becoming aware of) one's own heart or spirit. Then one can search one's heart or spirit to discern the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth which God sent into one's own heart or spirit (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6), as Paul did. This Spirit passes all Truth, intuitively, privately and directly from within one's own heart or spirit and not through the physically spoken and physically written scriptures. The physically spoken and physically written scriptures does not deliver All Truth.
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JonahofAkron
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Do you ever write anything that doesn't have to do with getting rid of the Scriptures?
I perceived that post # 65 was spot on.
You quoted: "if one is not 'born again one cannot see the kingdom of God."
I agree with the above, it is scriptural.
You also quoted: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."
I also agree with the above, it is scriptural.
Being satisfied that those statement were scriptural, I then sought to address the common misunderstanding that people have about what is the Gospel of the kingdom of heaven by providing the exact verses in the KJV N.T. where it was identified and described.
I also sought to address the common misunderstanding that people have about what is to be 'born again' by giving the revelation in the KJV N.T. which confirms what it means to be 'born again.
It is no point enunciating that "if one is not 'born again one cannot see the kingdom of God." and "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world." if one's ideas about what is that Gospel is wrong and one is also misinform about what it means to be 'born again.
Isn't this, which is the essence of my post # 65, also the essence of your post.
You are making the point and supporting it with revelations from the KJV N.T., that one must be 'born again', in order see the kingdom of God. You are spot on with those guidance.
The underlying Truth is that the mysteries of God's kingdom cannot be delivered through physically spoken and physically written words. Any preaching of the Gospel of God's kingdom is simply to convey that one must become 'born again' and seek the mysteries of God's kingdom directly and intuitively from the Spirit through one's own heart or spirit. This is the only path to salvation and deliverance.
These can be and must be, obtained only intuitively and directly from the Spirit of Jesus through one's own heart or spirit. Fact is one must be born again in order to have access to one's own spirit and the Spirit of Truth within one's own spirit.
Being 'born again' is not about acquiring the Spirit as one's own spirit. It is about being led by this Spirit. It is not about loosing the essential identity of one's own spirit and replacing it with the Spirit. Becoming 'born again' is simply about become aware of one's own spirit so that one can then search one's own heart or spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray fro, say and do and be led into all of one's works by that. This is to be Christian. This is how to be saved and delivered into God's kingdom of heaven.
May be I pedal my point too aggressively. I do apologize if you find that is so. However it will take a lot of effort to communicate these ideas which are at the very root of Truth which saves and delivers humans and which are not held or known in traditional Christianity.
Establishing these points seem to to be essentially to the base of your central point which is that, becoming 'born again' is something totally out side of one's control.
I cannot disagree with your central point if these basic things are not established in common grounding.
Fact is one is told by revelations in the KJV N.T., to search one's own heart to know what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and so. This indicates the work that is related to being 'born again'.
There is something that one must do, as prescribed in the KJV N.T., in order to open the path way for becoming 'born again'.
Being 'born again' is necessary or related, to being given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom.
How does one become given to know the mysteries of God's kingdom? Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16 is a good place to start.
Do you perceive that 'God's kingdom' and 'the kingdom of heaven' is the same thing and why?
Another revelations which adds light is John: 16 verses: 7 to 14. It is the Spirit which delivers All Truth. This is where Paul got it.
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Your conclusions seem confused.
If I simply take your first quote: Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Your opening point seem to be that this not a commandment from Jesus.
It is at least a declaration of fact.
A few verses down Jesus added to that first confirmation: "Except a man be born of water and of Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven."
This seems to suggest that first one is born of water (most of man's physical body is water). Then one must have a second birth where the body of this second birth is the fabric of Spirit.
Our first body is our natural body or physical body. Our spirit is our second body or inward man. We have both, always.
After physical birth one does not loose awareness of one's natural man.
However one can remain unaware of one's inward man which is also called our heart or spirit. This state where one is not aware of one's own inward man or spirit or heart is described as having a heart that is waxed gross (i.e. covered). It is also called being dead within. It is also called being 'the dead'.
The message is that our inward man or spirit is from heaven.
Our spirit or inward man conforms to precisely what the Spirit has in mind for us to pray for, say and do, in our life on earth, as discern within this very spirit or inward man.
This state of not being 'born again' is described every were in the KJV N.T. with the word 'dead'.
Jesus has also revealed things that killeth.
Therefore becoming 'born again' requires works for those who are not 'born again'. They must avoid or drop those things which killeth!
beloved57
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You have failed to prove that you understand what I am saying within my posts, you give no analysis of the components the posts, you are too much in a hurry to give your opinion on things. Until you do that, I have nothing else for you, since you do not seem to grasp what's being said as to why one is Born Again ! I spent a lot of time showing that !
You have failed to prove that you understand what I am saying within my posts, you give no analysis of the components the posts, you are too much in a hurry to give your opinion on things. Until you do that, I have nothing else for you, since you do not seem to grasp what's being said as to why one is Born Again ! I spent a lot of time showing that !
Why go though all of that?
Why not simply say in simple words why one is 'born again'?
Then you can provide the KJV N.T. support if necessary.
Letters discernment kills my intuitive discernment.
JonahofAkron
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You are ridiculous. Intuitive discernment?
beloved57,
Bottom line is that, to be 'born again' is to be no longer 'dead'.
Becoming 'born again' requires works from those who are not 'born again'.
They must avoid or drop those things which killeth! They must also drop those things which does not give life. Jesus identified those things.
Jesus also identified what delivers All Truth. Those who seek to be 'born again' must seek out that thing which delivers All Truth.
Jesus also identified what giveth life. It is the seam thing that delivers All Truth.
Bottom line is that, to be 'born again' is to be no longer 'dead'.
Becoming 'born again' requires works from those who are not 'born again'.
They must avoid or drop those things which killeth! They must also drop those things which does not give life. Jesus identified those things.
Jesus also identified what delivers All Truth. Those who seek to be 'born again' must seek out that thing which delivers All Truth.
Jesus also identified what giveth life. It is the seam thing that delivers All Truth.
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O.K.
State your point clearly then provide the proof.
To hide or even put, your point in a maze of letters, is to effectively kill any possibility of awakening anyone with your point.
This is precisely how the letter killeth. Your appraoch will effectively keep those who dwell on your letter 'un-born-again'
At this point in time, if you want to say things to those who are seeking to be born again, you must deliver accurately, totally and clearly.
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In order for someone to become "born again" they must place all their faith in Christ as Lord and Savior, be convicted, indwelt, and sealed, then placed into the "body of Christ" by the Holy Spirit......
You're reasoning??? That's a laugh!!!!