SaulToPaul 2
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ECT Why preterism can never be taken seriously by Bible believers
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SaulToPaul 2
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How can the LORD use enemies to destroy Jerusalem and defend Jerusalem from it's enemies at the same time?
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Asarhaddon and the Assyrian army invaded Egypt circa 670BC.
However, Darby followers/Dispensationalists deny Isaiah 19:1 was fulfilled. They claim it's a yet future fulfillment.
In addition to verse 2, Darby followers/Dispensationalists claim the following is yet future:
(Isaiah 19:23-24) In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth.
Back in the late 70's, Pat Robinson (a Darby follower/Dispensationalist) gave Egypt's Anwar Sadat a Tiffany bowl with Isaiah 19:23 inscribed in it because Pat Robinson (the Darby follower/Dispensationalist) was convinced that Isaiah 19:23 was being fulfilled by Anwar Sadat in the 1970's.
Then 30 years later, Robinson said:
"I would think it would be marvelous if one of the things that the United States insists on is that they make a peace treaty with Israel. We need to tell Syria you are not going to be lobbing shells through your surrogates Hizbollah into northern Israel, but make peace. Then all of a sudden Egypt has a peace treaty with Israel, and now Syria and Iraq would come together under the United States influence. What a wonderful thing this can be and what a fulfillment of Bible prophecy!" - Pat Robinson
Pat Robinson is just another confused Darby follower/Dispensationalist. Robinson also believes in the rapture.
He didn't.
Unless you consider the following prophecy as "defending Jerusalem:
(Matt 24:22) “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
SaulToPaul 2
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Prophecy says he will defend Jerusalem from it's enemies, when he comes.
You say he used their enemies to destroy them, when he came.
Who is right?
musterion
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There is no rational nor biblical answer to that. Either you will be Darbied or he just won't post for awhile.
:chuckle: "you will be Darbied"
Sounds like Pat is pretty smart !! Isn't it Robertson ?
SaulToPaul 2
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The prophecies that he would defend Jerusalem were "conditional", is my guess.
Robertson does not believe in the pre-trib rapture.He believes that the church will go through the tribulation and the he and his netword will help usher in the second coming.
He also believes in Lordship salvation.
He is also part of the ecumenical movement.
SaulToPaul 2
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Isn't anyone that disregards preterism as foolishness a Darby follower?
Yes, it's a logically necessary conclusion. :nono:
If you're referring to Zech 14, that's not what it says. It says the following:
(Zech 14:3) Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
Again, if you read the OT, every time God used a nation to inflict His wrath upon another nation (i.e. Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, etc.) the nation He used to inflict the wrath, was then defeated later on because of the wrath they inflicted.
Not you.
Zech 14 is a very hard chapter to understand because there is both literal and figurative language in the chapter.
The NT writers make it clear there are two Jerusalem's.
The New Jerusalem that is above is different than the Jerusalem in the Middle East.
STP asked, I asked, over, and over, when this was fulfilled, and how, greasy,little arms Craigie:
"Versus
Zech 14
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. "-Mayor STP
You craftily, subtily(Genesis 3 KJV), dismissed it with your "this one can answer any, and all questions, besides 'Darby,,,You are in denial..,' and, if these meanie, bully dispies object, I will just tell them what my daddy the devil told me to keep spamming, 'Don't you believe all the promises are yea in Jesus/the bible/Jesus/Paul/Peter?'":
Now, tell us, when, flat earth proponent, when, and how, it was fulfilled-specifics. Now,sweetie.
Ok, so Robertson is a pos-millennial Dispensationalist instead of a pre-millennial Dispensationalist.
No, but all who see Dispensationalism as foolishness are not Darby followers.
He once more plagiarized this above "man made" "invention," theory," from one of these "bunch of men" infallible "teachers," ken Gentry.
How long have you been a Gentry-ite, little chin, poutie Craigie?
Knock it off, plagiarizer, man follower.
"All dispensationalists are Darby followers."-infallable men follower Tellalie
We are all in denial.
Why don't you give us another, "I never said...," such as "I never said Robertson is a pre-millennial Dispensationalist....," little arms Craigie??? Please? Add it to another one of your habitual lies.
"Zech 14 is a very hard chapter to understand because there is both literal and figurative language in the chapter."-Craigie
Catch that slight of hand, TOL audience? The flaming actress, wines, and pines, and insults, and pouts, and ridicules, us meanie dispies, with "You think that is really literal?....Darby....You are in denial....," in condescension, but it is just fine, when his alleged infallible teachers, such as Gentry, Josephus, Russell, Hannegraaf.............."teach" him, and he "teaches," when something is literal.
The question is: what is the default? His AD 70-ism/Preterism "invention"/"theory" assumes, defaults to:
Everything is figurative.
STP: "It's not that complicated."