Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Your view on adult-child rape sex was made loud and clear in your first post on the subject:

Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote
I would say it is a safe assumption that many if not most of the sexually active minors under the age of 14 are having sex with someone older than them. Another reason why sex education is important.

So teaching children the basics of sex which should include that adult/minor sexual relationships are often abusive and should be avoided is wrong? What a bizarre little world you live in.

"...often abusive"? Meaning that sometimes adult-child sex isn't abusive? So when a 9 year old boy decides that he wants to be raped by a homosexual elder and later finds out that he enjoyed it, it wasn't abusive?

Homosexual/homosexual activist Peter Tatchell couldn't have said it better.

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm only relaying what you've told about yourself Kit: That you have homosexual desires but have them under control because you are married to a woman and have fathered two sons with her. Or is there more to your story?

You are just determined to illustrate your ignorance of Human sexuality

You're the one defending an unnatural and highly disease ridden behavior, not me.

...and relationships. You neglect to mention my position on monogamy and marriage.

I've acknowledged many times that you borrow off of Judeo-Christian doctrine when it comes to monogamy and marriage.

I find men and women sexually attractive, remember that B in LGBT you like to bring up, and I don't have to control that. I know that nothing will come of it because I am in a dedicated monogamous marriage and I know who is going to grace my bed each night.
Unlike your friend I can enjoy looking at a good looking man or woman on the street and don't have to play any mind games to avoid temptation. I know there are a lot of weak-willed people who have trouble with keeping marriage vows, I'm not one of them.

Boy, aren't you the moral pillar of society? Do you fantasize about sex with other men or just "find men sexually attractive"? You do realize that finding someone of the same sex "sexually attractive" is perverse don't you? Or maybe you just like to write your own moral code?

I have same-sex and opposite-sex attractions other than my wife but I choose not to act on them because of my vows to her.

Thanks again for pointing out that you're borrowing off of Judeo-Christian doctrine. Now if you would only take that a step further and acknowledge that doctrine when it comes to homosexuality.

Those attractions still exist though and many of your so-called Ex-gays who got married are likely just the same, Bi-sexuals who have decided to simply not act on of their other attractions.

There's a huge difference between an EX homosexual who is trying to understand and overcome his or her same sex desires and someone who continues to have same sex desires and doesn't act on them out of fear of disease or (supposedly) in your case commitment to a spouse.


Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Then we shouldn't believe the testimonies of those who have failed at conversion/reparative therapy?

Back to testimonies by those who have been successful in controlling and in many cases overcoming their unwanted and extremely harmful desires/behaviors:

Should we not believe those that have overcome alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography addiction and addiction to cigarettes?

A testimonial is a snapshot in time of what a person believed at that moment in time. It is not that hard to find testimonials of a person who believed a faith-healer cured them of cancer just to have died six months later from that cancer.

I'm glad that we both agree that society shouldn't believe in the testimony of those who have failed at conversion therapy.

How about EX homosexuals who after 10 years of believing that they have overcome their same sex desires still believe it? Should they be believed?

Testimonials are nice, scientificly conducted studies are better.

Don't those scientific studies require some sort of testimony from those that participated in them?

Next up: Great news from Mass Resistance regarding a failed conversion/reparative therapy ban!

 

[Arthur Brain]

This is what LMOHM has to say about conversion therapy.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...d-Be-Illegal&p=5260985&viewfull=1#post5260985

 

[Kit the Coyote]

"...often abusive"? Meaning that sometimes adult-child sex isn't abusive? So when a 9 year old boy decides that he wants to be raped by a homosexual elder and later finds out that he enjoyed it, it wasn't abusive?

I tend not to speak in absolutes, so I leave open the remote possibility but I know of no examples or cases that I wouldn't call abusive. So just like conversion therapy the potential harm far outweighs any possible non-harm and thus my position on such relationships, as I clearly stated remains the same:

I totally condemn adult-child sex and any adult who engages in such should be punished to the maximum extent of the law.

I've acknowledged many times that you borrow off of Judeo-Christian doctrine when it comes to monogamy and marriage.

Thanks again for pointing out that you're borrowing off of Judeo-Christian doctrine. Now if you would only take that a step further and acknowledge that doctrine when it comes to homosexuality.

And I've pointed out in reply that the Abrahamic religions do not have exclusive claims to those concepts. But then I was raised in the Christian faith and in American nuclear family tradition so why is that even an issue for you? You think monogamy is not a good thing for non-Christians?

I certainly think it would benefit homosexuals which is why I not only promote gay marriage but believe that the monogamous aspect of western style marriages should be encouraged in them.

There's a huge difference between an EX homosexual who is trying to understand and overcome his or her same sex desires and someone who continues to have same sex desires and doesn't act on them out of fear of disease or (supposedly) in your case commitment to a spouse.

They are both choosing not the pursue certain attractions, only the reason for that choice is different. We have plenty of examples from EX-EX-homosexuals that the attractions are still there. So many of them in fact that there is now an EX EX Gay movement lead by individuals who were Ex-Gays. Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper are prominent examples.

I'm glad that we both agree that society shouldn't believe in the testimony of those who have failed at conversion therapy.

How about EX homosexuals who after 10 years of believing that they have overcome their same sex desires still believe it? Should they be believed?

That they believe that, yes. The actuality though may not be so simple. I am happy that they have found a level of satisfaction in their lives.

Don't those scientific studies require some sort of testimony from those that participated in them?

Some do, some don't depending on the methodology of the study but you will find few that depend on testimonials alone since they would not be considered very reliable.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
"...often abusive"? Meaning that sometimes adult-child sex isn't abusive? So when a 9 year old boy decides that he wants to be raped by a homosexual elder and later finds out that he enjoyed it, it wasn't abusive?

I tend not to speak in absolutes, so I leave open the remote possibility but I know of no examples or cases that I wouldn't call abusive.

So there is a "remote possibility" that some children enjoy having sex with homosexual adults?

So just like conversion therapy the potential harm far outweighs any possible non-harm and thus my position on such relationships,

(Did Kit the Coyote just compare loving parents who send their child who has same sex desires to a qualified therapist for counselling with adult-child rape? It sure does look that way to me).

...as I clearly stated remains the same:

I totally condemn adult-child sex and any adult who engages in such should be punished to the maximum extent of the law.

Sounds like you're speaking in absolutes here, something that you earlier stated that you don't do. Which is it?

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm glad that we both agree that society shouldn't believe in the testimony of those who have failed at conversion therapy.

How about EX homosexuals who after 10 years of believing that they have overcome their same sex desires still believe it? Should they be believed?

That they believe that, yes. The actuality though may not be so simple. I am happy that they have found a level of satisfaction in their lives.

It sounds to me that you're calling people who have finally understood what caused their homosexual desires and did something about it 'liars'.

Regarding your alleged marriage to a woman: I've spent the last hour reviewing dozens of your posts in the forum where we met and other than you telling me that you're married to a woman, you never mentioned it once in the numerous homosexual threads that you posted in, posts where you've clearly shown that you're a hardcore homosexual activist. You even commented to one poster that his 'gaydar' was good.

Have you ever been accused of being a pathological liar Kit?

One more thing before I move on:

Tell me more about this avatar that you use in another forum.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

This is what LMOHM has to say about conversion therapy.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...d-Be-Illegal&p=5260985&viewfull=1#post5260985

I have dozens of posts that I would like to discuss with LMOHM on how conversion/reparative therapy has been successful for countless men and women, many who like him were victims of sexual molestation as a child and because of it contracted homosexual desires.

Any chance that you can switch accounts Aaron contact Pete and ask him to come back to this thread to discuss the subject further in detail, such as asking him the name of the therapist(s) that he saw, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I have dozens of posts that I would like to discuss with LMOHM on how conversion/reparative therapy has been successful for countless men and women, many who like him were victims of sexual molestation as a child and because of it contracted homosexual desires.

Any chance that you can switch accounts Aaron contact Pete and ask him to come back to this thread to discuss the subject further in detail, such as asking him the name of the therapist(s) that he saw, etc. etc. etc.

Well, it hasn't been and plenty who were involved in pushing such "therapy" have at least had the decency to come forward and admit that it wasn't effective at all and in plenty cases caused harm. You can ask Pete yourself when he next feels inclined to visit the boards.

And you're calling me Aaron now?! Are you on drugs, forgotten to take them or are you really just so darned thick?

:kookoo:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I have dozens of posts that I would like to discuss with LMOHM on how conversion/reparative therapy has been successful for countless men and women, many who like him were victims of sexual molestation as a child and because of it contracted homosexual desires.

Any chance that you can switch accounts Aaron contact Pete and ask him to come back to this thread to discuss the subject further in detail, such as asking him the name of the therapist(s) that he saw, etc. etc. etc.

Well, it hasn't been and plenty who were involved in pushing such "therapy" have at least had the decency to come forward and admit that it wasn't effective at all and in plenty cases caused harm. You can ask Pete yourself when he next feels inclined to visit the boards.

If LMOHM "feels inclined" to return to this thread, I'll be asking him to name the therapist(s) that he saw. When someone degrades something, I want specifics. Until then, perhaps you can give some specifics on the names of therapists that failed to help those that weren't successful with their therapy. I pointed out one LGBTQ activist who was caught lying in a recent post...

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-5&p=5251888&viewfull=1#post5251888

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9A7L-bpZE

And you're calling me Aaron now?! Are you on drugs, forgotten to take them or are you really just so darned thick?

:kookoo:

I'm well aware of what's going on here.

 

[Arthur Brain]

If LMOHM "feels inclined" to return to this thread, I'll be asking him to name the therapist(s) that he saw. When someone degrades something, I want specifics. Until then, perhaps you can give some specifics on the names of therapists that failed to help those that weren't successful with their therapy. I pointed out one LGBTQ activist who was caught lying in a recent post...

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-5&p=5251888&viewfull=1#post5251888

Then you can do so if he returns then can't you? However, you probably think he's called "Aaron" as well anyway?

I'm well aware of what's going on here.

Nah, if you did you'd realize just how much of a nut you are for this gormless insistence that a myriad people are seemingly the same person using multiple accounts. I would ask Sherman to verify that I have this account alone but what's the point? You wouldn't take her word for it when Wiz (your obsession) had his account verified so the only logical conclusions to draw from this are that you don't take the word of a mod who has access to IP addresses, that Sherman is also "Aaron" or that you are a delusional whack job.

I'm gonna go with the latter.

:freak:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

As you can see, when asked to give specifics about the name(s) of therapists who supposedly committed atrocities against patients wanting to understand/overcome their same sex desires, Arthur Brain can't give any.

The next time anyone demeans conversion/reparative therapy, supply:

1) The name of the patient
2) The approximate date(s) that the therapy took place
3) The location of the therapy (City, State, Country)
4) And most importantly the name of the therapist and what kind of techniques were used.

 

[Arthur Brain]

As you can see, when asked to give specifics about the name(s) of therapists who supposedly committed atrocities against patients wanting to understand/overcome their same sex desires, Arthur Brain can't give any.

The next time anyone demeans conversion/reparative therapy, supply:

1) The name of the patient
2) The approximate date(s) that the therapy took place
3) The location of the therapy (City, State, Country)
4) And most importantly the name of the therapist and what kind of techniques were used.

You were wanting Pete to give specifics as to what he'd gone through and if he returns then it's up to him if he wants to give those. There's enough info out there to show why this "therapy" is roundly condemned and given no credence by accredited scientific and medical bodies. Exodus International went on its own exodus after several of those involved acknowledged it was ineffective at best.

Oh, and what's the matter aCW? Not comfortable with addressing your whole "Aaron" nonsense all of a sudden?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

As you can see, when asked to give specifics about the name(s) of therapists who supposedly committed atrocities against patients wanting to understand/overcome their same sex desires, Arthur Brain can't give any.

The next time anyone demeans conversion/reparative therapy, supply:

1) The name of the patient
2) The approximate date(s) that the therapy took place
3) The location of the therapy (City, State, Country)
4) And most importantly the name of the therapist and what kind of techniques were used.

You were wanting Pete to give specifics as to what he'd gone through and if he returns then it's up to him if he wants to give those. There's enough info out there to show why this "therapy" is roundly condemned and given no credence by accredited scientific and medical bodies. Exodus International went on its own exodus after several of those involved acknowledged it was ineffective at best.

Provide some of that evidence using the above guidelines. LGBTQ activists are notorious liars. For instance:

"In Washington, a witness testifying in a January committee hearing said that a licensed therapist forced a child to watch pornography while in an ice bath so that the client would associate sexual arousal with pain. However, when questioned after the hearing, the woman refused to provide the name of the therapist and when it happened; nor was she willing to do any research to help uncover whether, if it had in fact happened, it was a licensed therapist.

In a senate hearing in February [2014], a representative of the Washington Department of Health, which has jurisdiction over professional licensing and fields approximately 10,000 complaints a year, said that the current staff has 11 years of institutional knowledge and no one was aware of a single complaint alleging that a licensed therapist had attempted to coerce someone into not being gay.

This story sounds eerily similar to the disaster witnessed in New Jersey last year, when transgender activist Brielle Goldani claimed to have been sent to a "conversion therapy torture camp" in Ohio in 1997. Goldani alleged to have been electroshocked at the month-long "True Directions" camp in an attempt to make him, now her, straight. Yet, an investigation published at WorldNetDaily.com revealed that the entire testimony was a fraud, taken directly out of a Hollywood production starring drag queen RuPaul."
https://www.wnd.com/2013/03/transgendered-woman-lies-about-therapy-torture/
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...-on-gay-conversion-therapy-for-minors-116108/

Oh, and what's the matter aCW? Not comfortable with addressing your whole "Aaron" nonsense all of a sudden?

I'd rather debate. Care to give it a try?

 

[ok doser]

As you can see, when asked to give specifics about the name(s) of therapists who supposedly committed atrocities against patients wanting to understand/overcome their same sex desires, Arthur Brain can't give any.

i'm running into the same issue with MrDainty, in requesting that he supply a link to the quote he uses repetitively.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Provide some of that evidence using the above guidelines. LGBTQ activists are notorious liars. For instance:

"In Washington, a witness testifying in a January committee hearing said that a licensed therapist forced a child to watch pornography while in an ice bath so that the client would associate sexual arousal with pain. However, when questioned after the hearing, the woman refused to provide the name of the therapist and when it happened; nor was she willing to do any research to help uncover whether, if it had in fact happened, it was a licensed therapist.

In a senate hearing in February [2014], a representative of the Washington Department of Health, which has jurisdiction over professional licensing and fields approximately 10,000 complaints a year, said that the current staff has 11 years of institutional knowledge and no one was aware of a single complaint alleging that a licensed therapist had attempted to coerce someone into not being gay.

This story sounds eerily similar to the disaster witnessed in New Jersey last year, when transgender activist Brielle Goldani claimed to have been sent to a "conversion therapy torture camp" in Ohio in 1997. Goldani alleged to have been electroshocked at the month-long "True Directions" camp in an attempt to make him, now her, straight. Yet, an investigation published at WorldNetDaily.com revealed that the entire testimony was a fraud, taken directly out of a Hollywood production starring drag queen RuPaul."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...-on-gay-conversion-therapy-for-minors-116108/

Evidence has been given all ends up in this train wreck and there's a plethora of it on the internet, not least from those involved in it and apologizing for the harm it's caused. Not all "therapy" has consisted of the more extreme practices but those are on record as well and irrefutable else get on and do so.

I'd rather debate. Care to give it a try?

Already have. Why are you accusing people of being the same person with multiple accounts and then crying off when you're called on being the idiot you are for continually doing it? That's real real thick dude.

:kookoo:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Evidence has been given all ends up in this train wreck and there's a plethora of it on the internet, not least from those involved in it and apologizing for the harm it's caused. Not all "therapy" has consisted of the more extreme practices but those are on record as well and irrefutable else get on and do so.

Then provide some using the above guidelines.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Then provide some using the above guidelines.

Do your own homework, it's been supplied time and again and I ain't wasting time doing that which you should already know Aaron.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Do your own homework

I have, and it's shown that the LGBTQ movement is lying through their disease ridden pores.

it's been supplied time and again and I ain't wasting time doing that which you should already know Aaron

I don't recall seeing it in this thread. Would you post just one case (just one) for the new viewers of this thread?

 

[Arthur Brain]

I have, and it's shown that the LGBTQ movement is lying through their disease ridden pores.



I don't recall seeing it in this thread. Would you post just one case (just one) for the new viewers of this thread?

Make ya a deal aCW. You provide some evidence as to why about 539 people on this forum are the same person as you accuse them of being (Aaron) and I'll do what has been shown to you numerous times already that you seem to have "conveniently" forgot?

:thumb:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Make ya a deal aCW. You provide some evidence as to why about 539 people on this forum are the same person as you accuse them of being (Aaron) and I'll do what has been shown to you numerous times already that you seem to have "conveniently" forgot?

:thumb:

My my, did I ever open up a can of gossip worms with my speculation.

Using the following guidelines, show me just one case (just one) where LGBTQ activists are telling the truth about unethical practices being used against them in conversion/reparative therapy sessions.

1) The name of the patient
2) The approximate date(s) that the therapy took place
3) The location of the therapy (City, State, Country)
4) And most importantly the name of the therapist and what kind of techniques were used.

 

[Arthur Brain]

My my, did I ever open up a can of gossip worms with my speculation.

Using the following guidelines, show me just one case (just one) where LGBTQ activists are telling the truth about unethical practices being used against them in conversion/reparative therapy sessions.

1) The name of the patient
2) The approximate date(s) that the therapy took place
3) The location of the therapy (City, State, Country)
4) And most importantly the name of the therapist and what kind of techniques were used.

Dude, I've offered you a fair exchange. Provide some proof as to why there's a load of people who are the same person under different accounts and that Sherman's verification of this not being the case isn't good enough for you and I'll reciprocate, not that it hasn't been done time and again already.

If it's gossip then it's all of your own making.

Your call.

 

[ok doser]

My my, did I ever open up a can of gossip worms with my speculation.

nah - you gave him a reason to avoid answering your question