Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

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alwight

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Don't take TOL's ardent defenders of buggery seriously Angeltress, as they try to make themselves feel better when they compare their absolutely filthy disease ridden behavior (the same one that they're too ashamed to admit that they engage in) with that of eating shellfish, using your left hand or growing beautiful flowers that were cross bred.
If it says it is an abomination in your ancient scripture aCW we can't really help you there too much, you're rather stuck with it I think.
And if you feel pangs of guilt as you cherry pick, spin and equivocate, so that a nice lobster thermidor can remain on your menu, oh dear, how sad, never mind, that's just how the cookie crumbles. I suspect cookies however are not abominations, ...or are they? ;)
 
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The originator of the idea that people were born with same sex attractions [Karl Heinrich Ulrichs] was a pedophile?



Not according to historian (and proud and unrepentant homosexual) Hubert Kennedy.

1 Kennedy, Hubert. “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” Kennedy in Pascal,
Mark (ed.) p. 15.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Kennedy

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Still waiting for you to tell us just what book this “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” appears in.
 

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1 Kennedy, Hubert. “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” Kennedy in Pascal,
Mark (ed.) p. 15.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

can you tell us what is the name of the book that contains this “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs”?

Still waiting for you to tell us just what book this “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” appears in.

I'd have you ask Ryan Sorba himself for that information the next time you and your LGBTQueer activists attend one of his "The Born Gay Hoax" speeches at a university, but I doubt that he'd hear you.

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http://massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html

You can do your own research using the information provided.

That being said: You act like "man boy love"/pedophilia/pederasty, i.e. child rape is something that is...

"alien"

amongst not only the forefairies of the LGBTQueer movement, but amongst the current LGBTQueer/NAMBLA movement in general.

Have you ever heard of "Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia" TracerBullet? (Heard of it? It's bedtime reading for LGBTQueer activists, cuz nothing sez "sweet dreams" like reading about child rape right before bed does it TB?).

Paidika subtitled The Journal of Paedophilia (1987-1995) was a scholarly journal which took a positive scholarly approach towards the study of pedophilia

American expatriate author Joseph Geraci developed the idea of launching a scholarly journal about pedophilia after he relocated in Amsterdam in 1986. A year later the first issue was published by the non-profit Stichting Paidika Foundation which was created for this reason.

According to the blurb, Paidika sought "to examine the range of cultural, historical, psychological, and literary issues pertaining to consensual adult-child sexual relationships and desires" and attempted to create a "history of record". From the beginning, Paidika differentiated from other boylove-related publications. It had a professional layout and an impressive editorial board (see below) which reviewed the submissions to the journal.

Thus, Paidika could be best described as a "scholarly, literary and activist" journal. Scholarly because the submissions were peer-reviewed by some of the most respected academics in the field of sexuality (Bullough, DeCecco) and literary because it published poetry apart from scholarly articles. In addition, the journal had an activist aspect as some of the published articles, as well as some members of the editorial board (Andriette, Brongersma) were outspoken supporters of the boylove movement. Consider, the journal's statement of purpose:

"The starting point of Paidika is necessarily our consciousness of ourselves as paedophiles [...] But to speak today of paedophilia, which we understand to be consensual intergenerational sexual relationships, is to speak of the politics of oppression..."

[Let's look and see who was on this esteemed board of pedophiles and what sort of things were written in "Paidika: The Journal of Pedophilia": ]

Editorial board
Paidika was subject to academic peer-review. An incomplete list of people that appeared in the editorial board is given below. Their affiliation maybe not be currently valid.

Bill Andriette, editor, NAMBLA Bulletin
Dr. Frits Bernard, psychologist, sexologist; Bernard Foundation
Edward Brongersma, JD, jurist; Brongersma Foundation
Vern L. Bullough, PhD, historian, sexologist; Professor Emeritus, State University of New York
Joel Crawford,
John P. DeCecco, PhD, psychologist; Professor Emeritus, San Francisco State University; editor, Journal of Homosexuality
Sjuul Deckwitz, author, journalist
Wayne Dynes, PhD, Professor Emeritus, City University of New York; editor, Encyclopedia of Homosexuality
Joseph Geraci, author
Hans Hafkamp,
Gert Hekma, PhD, University of Amsterdam
Piper R. Hollier,
Bruce S. Hopping, Kalos Kagathos Foundation
Hubert Kennedy, historian, Providence College, RI
Etc. etc. etc.

Contents

In its twelve issues, Paidika published no less than thirty scholarly articles (in history, anthropology, psychology, and other disciplines), poetry, art, book and film reviews. One interesting and pioneering aspect of the journal were its interwiews with leading academics of the study of sexuality (including Gunter Schmidt, Kenneth Plummer, John Money, Gilbert Herdt).

Laurence A. Stanley, "The Hysteria Over Child Pornography and Paedophilia

Maarten Schild, "The Irresistible Beauty of Boys: Middle Eastern Attitudes About Boy-Love"

Hubert Kennedy, "Karol Szymanowski, his Boy-Love Novel, and the Boy he Loved"

Nathaniel Parker Willis, "On Seeing a Beautiful Boy at Play"

Etc. etc. etc.

Read more: https://www.boywiki.org/en/Paidika:_The_Journal_of_Paedophilia

Based on the information that I've just provided on Paidika, proud and unrepentant homosexual/homosexual historian Hubert Kennedy and his associates, wouldn't it be safe to use the term

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"Intellectual pedophiles"

when talking about them TracerBullet?
 

Arthur Brain

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Don't take TOL's ardent defenders of buggery seriously Angeltress, as they try to make themselves feel better when they compare their absolutely filthy disease ridden behavior (the same one that they're too ashamed to admit that they engage in) with that of eating shellfish, using your left hand or growing beautiful flowers that were cross bred.

Well, can't speak for everyone else here but I rather suspect that the majority of objections to your pet little 'ideal' stem through the violations of adult human rights and liberty rather than your fixation with a particular sexual practice. In other words adults should be free to have consenting private lives no matter how much that may offend your 'moral sensibilities'.

I also strongly suspect that the reason nobody is admitting that they're homosexual themselves on this blog is because they aren't. If that's your yardstick then most of the world must be gay because your view, albeit vocal, is a minority one. It's a minority simply among Christians on the whole so once again your powers of logic don't begin to astound...
 

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The "T" in the LGBTQ acronym? I've discussed it throughout this 3 part thread. What are your thoughts on gender confused people (children included) who cross dress and often times have their genitals mutilated so that they can pretend that they're a member of the opposite gender TIP?

I daresay my question is answered.

What do you think about adultery acw?
 

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(Art Brain, still running in full "Drama Queen mode", returns to the thread after a very short hiatus).

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Don't take TOL's ardent defenders of buggery seriously Angeltress, as they try to make themselves feel better when they compare their absolutely filthy disease ridden behavior (the same one that they're too ashamed to admit that they engage in) with that of eating shellfish, using your left hand or growing beautiful flowers that were cross bred.

Well, can't speak for everyone else here but I rather suspect that the majority of objections to your pet little 'ideal' stem through the violations of adult human rights and liberty rather than your fixation with a particular sexual practice. In other words adults should be free to have consenting private lives no matter how much that may offend your 'moral sensibilities'.

Just out of curiousity Art, if society doesn't acknowledge a set moral code that comes from God, where do these " human rights" come from and why are they only for "adults"? (Be gentle, cuz the man boy lovers might be reading this post and I wouldn't want you to offend them with your "moral sensibilities").

I also strongly suspect that the reason nobody is admitting that they're homosexual themselves on this blog is because they aren't. If that's your yardstick then most of the world must be gay because your view, albeit vocal, is a minority one. It's a minority simply among Christians on the whole so once again your powers of logic don't begin to astound...

Good, cuz if you, Al, TracerBullet and Captainette Obvious (aka Aaron, aka WizardofOz, aka the "tag king queen) stated that you engaged in an absolutely filthy sexual behavior that brings nothing but disease, misery and early death to those who partake in it, I just don't think I could respect you boys like I currently do.
 

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(Art Brain, still running in full "Drama Queen mode", returns to the thread after a very short hiatus).

Hmm, I wasn't aware I was posting in all caps (shouting) or using an abundance of exclamation marks. Do you actually know what drama or ranting actually entails?

Just out of curiousity Art, if society doesn't acknowledge a set moral code that comes from God, where do these " human rights" come from and why are they only for "adults"? (Be gentle, cuz the man boy lovers might be reading this post and I wouldn't want you to offend them with your "moral sensibilities").

Common sense and ethics. In any civilized society children are protected as they aren't sufficiently developed to give consent. That includes 15 year old girls btw. What fully developed consenting adults get up to in their private lives is nobody else's business.

Good, cuz if you, Al, TracerBullet and Captainette Obvious (aka Aaron, aka WizardofOz, aka the "tag king queen) stated that you engaged in an absolutely filthy sexual behavior that brings nothing but disease, misery and early death to those who partake in it, I just don't think I could respect you boys like I currently do.

Eh, I doubt anyone has been particularly bothered whether you respect them or not aCW. I think I can safely say that few have any for you.
 

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The "T" in the LGBTQ acronym? I've discussed it throughout this 3 part thread. What are your thoughts on gender confused people (children included) who cross dress and often times have their genitals mutilated so that they can pretend that they're a member of the opposite gender TIP?

I daresay my question is answered.

I daresay that mine wasn't.

What do you think about adultery acw?

Had I known that this was going to be such a difficult test, I would have spent last night cramming for it.
 

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(Art Brain, still running in full "Drama Queen mode", returns to the thread after a very short hiatus).

Hmm, I wasn't aware I was posting in all caps (shouting) or using an abundance of exclamation marks. Do you actually know what drama or ranting actually entails?

All that I know is that reading a few of your drama queen posts is probably the equivalent to watching a full day of soap operas.

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Just out of curiousity Art, if society doesn't acknowledge a set moral code that comes from God, where do these " human rights" come from and why are they only for "adults"? (Be gentle, cuz the man boy lovers might be reading this post and I wouldn't want you to offend them with your "moral sensibilities").

Common sense and ethics. In any civilized society children are protected as they aren't sufficiently developed to give consent. That includes 15 year old girls btw. What fully developed consenting adults get up to in their private lives is nobody else's business.

There you go with your "moral sensibilities" again Art. The vast majority of the "icons" from the movement that is responsible for the decriminalization of homosexuality would beg to differ with you.

Since I missed your answer: whose "common sense" and whose "ethics" should society be using, God's or secular humanist man's?

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Good, cuz if you, Al, TracerBullet and Captainette Obvious (aka Aaron, aka WizardofOz, aka the "tag king queen) stated that you engaged in an absolutely filthy sexual behavior that brings nothing but disease, misery and early death to those who partake in it, I just don't think I could respect you boys like I currently do.

Eh, I doubt anyone has been particularly bothered whether you respect them or not aCW. I think I can safely say that few have any for you.

Where is the Captainette these days? I worry that he might be (what's that word that is used all too frequently in the movement that you guys defend)..."sick".
 

alwight

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Good, cuz if you, Al, TracerBullet and Captainette Obvious (aka Aaron, aka WizardofOz, aka the "tag king queen) stated that you engaged in an absolutely filthy sexual behavior that brings nothing but disease, misery and early death to those who partake in it, I just don't think I could respect you boys like I currently do.
I'm not sure how much respect you think we should have for someone who claims to be a good Christian, who takes his place beside his wife in church on Sundays, not just special occasions, who nevertheless clearly revels in homoerotic material at other times, devoting considerable time to it? :think:
 

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Q: I think I might be gay. How will I know if I really am?

A: You will eventually figure it out. You may consider different options or even experiment to determine what you are happy and comfortable with. The process may take a long time, and the decisions you make may be difficult for you and other people to accept.

Well, it's probably a good question. Maybe think about how it impacts your thoughts, day-to-day. Do you find yourself spending an unusual amount of your time thinking about homosexuals and homosexual sex? For example, do you find yourself spending your time each day on your computer looking up and posting pictures of leather-clad men at gay pride parades? Do you find yourself thinking about or sharing stories about anonymous homosexual sex in public restrooms? Do you consistently make up fantasy stories in your mind about males you interact with being homosexuals, despite them telling you that they're straight? If so, you might want to try to understand why homosexuality has such a grip on you.
 

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Good, cuz if you, Al, TracerBullet and Captainette Obvious (aka Aaron, aka WizardofOz, aka the "tag king queen) stated that you engaged in an absolutely filthy sexual behavior that brings nothing but disease, misery and early death to those who partake in it, I just don't think I could respect you boys like I currently do.

I'm not sure how much respect you think we should have for someone who claims to be a good Christian, who takes his place beside his wife in church on Sundays, not just special occasions, who nevertheless clearly revels in homoerotic material at other times, devoting considerable time to it? :think:

You know that I live for your approval Al and that what you and your fellow atheists and pagans think qualifies someone to be a "good Christian" means the world to me.

Again, I'm glad that you fellas don't engage in the absolutely filthy disease ridden behavior that you defend, cuz I just don't know if I could sleep at night worrying about you boyz if you did.
 

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You really do need to stay up with your LGBTQueer culture Art, as the topic of experimenting with homosexuality has been discussed numerous times in this 3 part thread (the answer is "yes").

Activists lure children into homosexual experimentation
http://www.afajournal.org/1999/may/activists.htm

Homosexuality: Facts for Teens
Q: I think I might be gay. How will I know if I really am?

A: You will eventually figure it out. You may consider different options or even experiment to determine what you are happy and comfortable with. The process may take a long time, and the decisions you make may be difficult for you and other people to accept.
http://familydoctor.org/familydoctor/en/teens/puberty-sexuality/homosexuality-facts-for-teens.html

More women — particularly those in their late teens and 20s — are experimenting with bisexuality or at least feel more comfortable reporting same-sex encounters, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9358339/ns.../#.VUV_0st0wiR

Etc. etc. etc.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4306482&postcount=7624


Well, it's probably a good question. Maybe think about how it impacts your thoughts, day-to-day. Do you find yourself spending an unusual amount of your time thinking about homosexuals and homosexual sex? For example, do you find yourself spending your time each day on your computer looking up and posting pictures of leather-clad men at gay pride parades? Do you find yourself thinking about or sharing stories about anonymous homosexual sex in public restrooms? Do you consistently make up fantasy stories in your mind about males you interact with being homosexuals, despite them telling you that they're straight? If so, you might want to try to understand why homosexuality has such a grip on you.

I do find myself wondering if your President's mentor Frank Marshall Davis did the same perverse things to B. Hussein as a boy that he did to women.

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Arthur Brain

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All that I know is that reading a few of your drama queen posts is probably the equivalent to watching a full day of soap operas.

So you don't know what acting like a drama queen or a rant actually entails then, okay.

There you go with your "moral sensibilities" again Art. The vast majority of the "icons" from the movement that is responsible for the decriminalization of homosexuality would beg to differ with you.

Since I missed your answer: whose "common sense" and whose "ethics" should society be using, God's or secular humanist man's?

Well, it certainly shouldn't be yours as you seem to possess little of either.

Where is the Captainette these days? I worry that he might be (what's that word that is used all too frequently in the movement that you guys defend)..."sick".

Hmm, aren't you the same guy who recently complained that he was being 'stalked' by Wiz and who yet finds any excuse to constantly mention the guy in this thread?

Now that's being a drama queen Connie...
 

Arthur Brain

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Well, it's probably a good question. Maybe think about how it impacts your thoughts, day-to-day. Do you find yourself spending an unusual amount of your time thinking about homosexuals and homosexual sex? For example, do you find yourself spending your time each day on your computer looking up and posting pictures of leather-clad men at gay pride parades? Do you find yourself thinking about or sharing stories about anonymous homosexual sex in public restrooms? Do you consistently make up fantasy stories in your mind about males you interact with being homosexuals, despite them telling you that they're straight? If so, you might want to try to understand why homosexuality has such a grip on you.

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There you go with your "moral sensibilities" again Art. The vast majority of the "icons" from the movement that is responsible for the decriminalization of homosexuality would beg to differ with you.

Since I missed your answer: whose "common sense" and whose "ethics" should society be using, God's or secular humanist man's?

Well, it certainly shouldn't be yours as you seem to possess little of either.

Darn it Art, I missed your answer again. (Go ahead and be honest and admit that you believe that laws should be based on the evolving morals of secular humanst man, it's not like someone is going to say "GASP!, Art Brain doesn't believe in God??").
 

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1 Kennedy, Hubert. “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” Kennedy in Pascal,
Mark (ed.) p. 15.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf





I'd have you ask Ryan Sorba himself for that information the next time you and your LGBTQueer activists attend one of his "The Born Gay Hoax" speeches at a university, but I doubt that he'd hear you.

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and like you he would dodge the question because there is no publication containing this imaginary piece of work: “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs”



You can do your own research using the information provided.
Anyone could read and fact check Sorba's claims...if he actually referenced his claims...which he doesn't. I wonder why he doesn't reference his claims
 

Arthur Brain

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Darn it Art, I missed your answer again. (Go ahead and be honest and admit that you believe that laws should be based on the evolving morals of secular humanst man, it's not like someone is going to say "GASP!, Art Brain doesn't believe in God??").

Hey, cut back on the drama here will ya Queenie? Sorry, Connie...

According to some, you're not actually adhering to 'Godly laws' as simply locking gays up doesn't go far enough. I prefer to retain something approaching rationality so zealotry of any stripe doesn't appeal and wow, I can do that without being an atheist, go figure.

Actually no, don't bother, you'll only give yourself an aneurysm.
 

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1 Kennedy, Hubert. “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs” Kennedy in Pascal,
Mark (ed.) p. 15.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf

I'd have you ask Ryan Sorba himself for that information the next time you and your LGBTQueer activists attend one of his "The Born Gay Hoax" speeches at a university, but I doubt that he'd hear you.

and like you he would dodge the question because there is no publication containing this imaginary piece of work: “Man/Boy Love in the Writing of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs”

Boy, us Christians just can't get a thing past you experts on man boy love can we TB?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
You can do your own research using the information provided.

Anyone could read and fact check Sorba's claims...if he actually referenced his claims...which he doesn't. I wonder why he doesn't reference his claims

Scott Lively talked about Karl Heinrich Ulrichs in he and Kevin Abrams book "The Pink Swastika" :

The “grandfather” of the world “gay rights” movement was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs (1825-1895). At the age of 14, Ulrichs was seduced by his riding instructor, a homosexual man about 30 years old (Kennedy in Pascal:15). Observers familiar with the apparently high correlation between childhood sexual molestation and adult homosexuality might conclude that this youthful experience caused Ulrichs to become a homosexual. Ulrichs himself, however, arrived at a hereditary rather than an environmental explanation for his condition...

Ulrichs was publicly opposed to sadomasochism and pedophilia (perhaps because of his own molestation as an adolescent). He wrote against the concept of “Greek love” and considered “sexual attraction to the prepubertal to be a sickness.” In his attempts to repeal Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code, Ulrichs advocated more stringent laws against pedophilia. Ulrichs’ condemnation of man/boy sex, however, extended only to prepubescent boys. As the following quote from his publication Forschungen Ueber das Raetsel der mannmannlichen Liebe (“Investigation of the Enigma of Homosexual Love”) reveals, Ulrichs was not opposed to sex between men and boys who were “sexually mature.”

The Urning [male homosexual] is not by a hair’s breadth any more dangerous to immature boys than the genuine man is to immature girls. For the rest, I gladly leave the child molester to his deserved punishment by the law. Let the integrity of a will-less minor be sacred to every Urning. I have no defense for whoever touches it. Therefore, let the seduction of immature boys, I grant it completely, be a punishable indecent act (Ulrichs:16).

Read more: http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/6964.html

It appears that “the grandfather” of the world “gay rights” movement Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, like all of the modern day "icons" of your LGBTQueer movement (Hay, Kameny, Milk, Savage, etc. etc. etc.) was either a pedophile, a pederast or openly promoted it.

That being said, wanna talk about Paidika and homosexual historian Hubert Kennedy's articles on pedophilia now?

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4307070&postcount=7643
 
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