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ECT Why God sent Paul.
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heir
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It was posted instead of a direct reply as to "why".
And even still you can't lay out "why" sharing YOUR belief. Never specifics. I've come to expect that from you.
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That isn't what it says. I know what Mark says.
Matthew 12:32
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven. It will not be forgiven. It doesn't say will not be forgiven until the unclean spirit is gone. Not there, not in Mark. Nor is it implied.
SaulToPaul 2
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Indeed.
And, Saul did.
Acts 26
10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.
achduke
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So are you saying Paul was not forgiven because we know he was. He also obviously had the Holy Spirit.
SaulToPaul 2
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Paul was indeed saved!
But he was not saved in "that world" or the "the world to come".
But rather a different dispensation that had before been a mystery.
achduke
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I do not buy it. Mark 3:28-31 says that those committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit have an unclean spirit. This is the same passage that is referred to in Matthew 12:31-32.
Obviously since Paul had the Holy Spirit He did not have a unclean spirit or if he did it was cast out of him when the scales fell from his eyes.
SaulToPaul 2
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Up to you.
achduke
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There were many that had unclean spirits in the past. Jesus and the apostles cast out the unclean spirits. These people were able to be saved after this.
No, it doesn't.
It says that the Scribes and Pharisees were saying that the Lord Jesus had an unclean spirit, when they accused Him of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub.
Yes, same event.
Saul didn't have the Holy Spirit at the stoning of Stephen.
achduke
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Point taken. I see now that the they is the Pharisees. Still just the same.
Mark 3:29 makes is sound that they may be in danger and Matthew
12:31 makes it sound as if there is no chance of redemption.
I understand this. He did not have it until he was baptized.
So answer me this. So Did Paul commit blasphemy or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?
SaulToPaul 2
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I showed you earlier where he spoke against the Holy Ghost.
achduke
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So are you equating Acts 26:10 as Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Strongs G988 blasphēmia slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name.
Paul did commit Blasphemy against many but did he commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
SaulToPaul 2
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What/Who were they filled with?
achduke
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They were filled with the Holy Spirit. Still did they attack the character of God or the character of the people?
SaulToPaul 2
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Paul spoke against the Holy Ghost when he gave his voice against those who were filled with the Holy Ghost.
achduke
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I do not see these as the same. In Mark 3 and Matthew 12 The pharisees were attacking the Holy Spirit directly.
We all know that Jesus had the Holy Spirit in him.
The Pharisees saying that Jesus was doing this by using Beelzebub were ineffect calling the Holy Spirit Beelzsebub. This is not true! Beelzsebub is a devil and the Holy Spirit of God is Holy!
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Col 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Where did you get your "Preterist" views? Did someone teach you?
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The Word of God jumped him in a alley one day and showed him everything.
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