beloved57
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Yes they are the same, that shows that you dont know what you believe ! Also you believe you are saved by what you do, relying on His mercy, that is something man does.
Why Calvinist, Catholics, Others, Hate the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ
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Yes they are the same, that shows that you dont know what you believe ! Also you believe you are saved by what you do, relying on His mercy, that is something man does.
I am not saved
-I am not justified
-in that sense they are the same
-I can be saved because of His grace and mercy and His death on the cross
-I will never be justified but my works may show that I am worthy of His mercy
beloved57
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Yeah but you believe you shall be saved by what you do ! By relying upon Gods mercy. What about a person who does not rely upon Gods mercy, but Christ died for them, shall they be saved ?
no
-what I do may make me worthy of His mercy
HisServant
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There is nothing you can do. And that really is the crux of salvation.
Scripture is very clear that no one deserves his mercy... no one. There is nothing we can do to merit it either.
beloved57
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Yes, you just admitted it, what you do may make you worthy of his mercy! You believe in being saved by what you do. See, you are ignorant to what you believe. I know more about what you believe than you do.
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His mercy will be based on what I do
-it is still mercy
-you do understand what mercy is?
HisServant
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I understand what mercy is... and nothing you can do will increase or decrease God's mercy toward you.
You cannot earn a free gift.
beloved57
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Post # 43 did you read it ?
beloved57
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Those Christ died for are saved, reconciled to God while they are being enemies, Rom 5:10 they did nothing but be His enemy !
beloved57
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That concept is foreign to the bible. Thats salvation by works. Like I said, I know more about what you believe than you do !
Epoisses
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Having a dream about resting on a cloud of feathers is a work for you, tard!
You are always quoting Romans 5:10 with no understanding of what it means.
What it means is that the whole world has been reconciled to God, sinners and all.
"To wit that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.
beloved57
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HisServant
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Paul did not write that to the whole world, he wrote it to a specific audience... maybe you should research who he was addressing and take that into consideration before continuing?
Epoisses
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Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Rom. 5:12
Are there some men who don't sin or die?
HisServant
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All have sinned and die. But Paul said 'we' and that does not include the entire world in Romans 5:10
He was talking to converted Jews in a way that they would understand his message give their world view.