ECT WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE EKKLESIA TODAY ??
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Hi and VINE'S DICTIONARY does not have the word " CHURCH "
ao look under ASSEMBLY for that is what EKKLESIA means !!
dan p
Hi and I looked at Matt 16:18 many times and " I will build " tense has not changed and " is " still in the FUTURE TENSE :rotfl::rotfl:
DAN P
glorydaz
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Hmmm. I don't know about the Heb. quote, but I do see this one, and that is Christ, not Peter.
Colossians 1:17-19
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Cruciform
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They're not sitting on their thrones, are they.
Cruciform
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Already answered---and corrected---in Post #3 above.
Hi and your NONE-answer is Noted as always !!
Good to see you out there , so keep hanging on !!
And I was also talking to the Acts 2 people !!
Pentecost has been over for almost 2000 years , but they also can not count !!
dan p
turbosixx
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Peter doesn't hold the keys, he distributes the keys. I understand the keys to be the gospel. When Peter preached the gospel on Pentecost, 3,000 souls were given the key to gained access into the kingdom that day.
Acts 2:41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
Jesus is the one and only head of the church. He bought it at a high price.
Acts 20:28.... to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
turbosixx;44696 Acts 2:41 [I said:
Hi and in Acts 2:47 , the Lord was " ADDING " TO THE EKKLESIA / ASSEMBLY DAILY and ADDING is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , , ACTIVE VOICE and Indicative Mood of a FACT >
tHE iMPERFECT tENSE means it continued ONLY for a short time and then stooped , period !!
The Active Voice means that the subject " the Lord " was the one adding to that EKKLESIA / ASSEMBLY and no one else !!
dan p
turbosixx
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I agree the Lord was adding.
Acts 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.
Was anyone added before Pentecost?
heir
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You're the one who is in need of correction. Christ is the head of the Body and Paul is our apostle (Romans 11:13 KJV) and pattern (1 Timothy 1:16 KJV). We don't follow a pope (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV). We follow Paul (1 Corinthians 4:15-16 KJV). Those who don't are spoiled (Colossians 2:8 KJV).
lifeisgood
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Besides, Pope Francis said "And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”
There are people suggesting that what the Pope said might have been taken out of context, or perhaps he meant something different. After I heard it and read his statement, I too, was SHOCKED. But, one must know, the translation was approved and released by the Vatican. Meaning, the news agency did not hire their own interpreter to translate the speech. So, did the pope say it? YES. Did he mean JESUS failed at the cross? Let’s examine all the facts.
Since the Vatican confirms the translation, that argument is null and void. All we have left is an ambiguous game of semantics, leaving many framing constructs of context. Is that how conversations go now a days, we just “GUESS” what someone means? Let’s look at the statement again: “And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”
https://heiscomingblog.wordpress.co...d-pope-francis-say-jesus-failed-at-the-cross/
There are people suggesting that what the Pope said might have been taken out of context, or perhaps he meant something different. After I heard it and read his statement, I too, was SHOCKED. But, one must know, the translation was approved and released by the Vatican. Meaning, the news agency did not hire their own interpreter to translate the speech. So, did the pope say it? YES. Did he mean JESUS failed at the cross? Let’s examine all the facts.
Since the Vatican confirms the translation, that argument is null and void. All we have left is an ambiguous game of semantics, leaving many framing constructs of context. Is that how conversations go now a days, we just “GUESS” what someone means? Let’s look at the statement again: “And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”
https://heiscomingblog.wordpress.co...d-pope-francis-say-jesus-failed-at-the-cross/
Cruciform
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Post #3
turbosixx
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Is this a short time?
Matt. 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
revpete
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So there are two heads to two churches?
lifeisgood
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In fact, the pope is declaring that the blood of Jesus Christ does not atone, exactly as some in the Protestant world declare.
There is nothing worst then to follow a false way of salvation.
Cruciform
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No. Jesus Christ is the ultimate Head of His Church, and He has appointed Peter and his successors as His earthly representatives to guide and teach the Church in His own name and by His very authority. That is the ecclesiology which has been believed and taught by Christ's one historic Church from the very beginning.
Gaudium de veritate,
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+T+
Cedarbay
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The EO does not have a pope, so what is their governing ecclesial office? Maybe Arsenios will chime in if he's around. I find the schism between EO and RC a fascinating bit of history, each claiming to be the One, True, Church. Hey...Lutheran's of the Missouri Synod believe they are too, with their faith also based in the teachings of Christ and His Apostles. Scripture clearly teaches that the one, holy, Christian church are the Elect, both visible and invisible.
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