What is going on in Daniel 9?
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What is going on in Daniel 9?
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Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make a reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary and the end of thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
It is Prophecy that tells the exact date of the death of JESUS.
GOOGLE IT.
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Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make a reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary and the end of thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
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In 458 BCE Artaxerxes authorized Ezra and a large number of Jews to return to Jerusalem.
Gabriel had told Daniel, "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks, the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times." (Daniel 9:25)
From Artaxerxes decree until Messiah the Prince was to be 483 years. 483 years minus 458 BCE brings us to 25 CE. There was no year zero so we must add one year giving 26 CE for the coming of Messiah.
Gabriel said, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease."
Jesus' ministry was about three and one-half years so 26 CE plus three years gives 29 CE and another half year brings us to 30 CE.
In the year 30 CE the 15th of Nisan was on a Thursday. (usno.navy.mil/astronomical applications> data services> Spring Phenomena 25 BCE to 38 CE)
Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and laid in the tomb as the Sabbath began. A trumpet signaled the beginning of the holy day Sabbath.
Three days and three nights later Sunday began and Jesus was resurrected.
Gabriel had told Daniel, "Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks, the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times." (Daniel 9:25)
From Artaxerxes decree until Messiah the Prince was to be 483 years. 483 years minus 458 BCE brings us to 25 CE. There was no year zero so we must add one year giving 26 CE for the coming of Messiah.
Gabriel said, "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease."
Jesus' ministry was about three and one-half years so 26 CE plus three years gives 29 CE and another half year brings us to 30 CE.
In the year 30 CE the 15th of Nisan was on a Thursday. (usno.navy.mil/astronomical applications> data services> Spring Phenomena 25 BCE to 38 CE)
Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and laid in the tomb as the Sabbath began. A trumpet signaled the beginning of the holy day Sabbath.
Three days and three nights later Sunday began and Jesus was resurrected.
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The prayer in Daniel 9 is that Israel would be able to do something to rectify its sinful situation.
The answer in Daniel 9 is not that Israel will correct this, but that a cut-down Messiah will atone for them. He accomplishes those 6 things mentioned there ('bring in everlasting righteousness' etc). But the final verses are about the rebellion that desolates Israel at the same time (within the same period of 490 years). The rebellion was first mentioned in 8:13, and in ch 9 the word 'abomination' is used instead. No big difference. The rebellion ruins the temple and the city by basing its rebellion there and losing badly. It is not God's mission for Israel to be a nation like the rest once the Messiah comes.
The answer in Daniel 9 is not that Israel will correct this, but that a cut-down Messiah will atone for them. He accomplishes those 6 things mentioned there ('bring in everlasting righteousness' etc). But the final verses are about the rebellion that desolates Israel at the same time (within the same period of 490 years). The rebellion was first mentioned in 8:13, and in ch 9 the word 'abomination' is used instead. No big difference. The rebellion ruins the temple and the city by basing its rebellion there and losing badly. It is not God's mission for Israel to be a nation like the rest once the Messiah comes.
"What is going on in Daniel 9?"
With the opening of the passage and the prayer of Daniel there are three sets of sevens which represent three shabu`iym yamiym or twenty and one yamiym. If one understands this particular idiomatic language, which is grounded in Torah, the same will understand what it means that Gabriyel arrives at the time of the evening oblation, at the close of the prayer, at the end of the third day of fasting and mourning.
With the opening of the passage and the prayer of Daniel there are three sets of sevens which represent three shabu`iym yamiym or twenty and one yamiym. If one understands this particular idiomatic language, which is grounded in Torah, the same will understand what it means that Gabriyel arrives at the time of the evening oblation, at the close of the prayer, at the end of the third day of fasting and mourning.
I think you're a little too wrapped up in the Jewish perspective and bitterness that they missed Jesus and killed the Messiah instead.
Daniel is a tough nut to crack in that there are so many words therein that are to be found no place else in scripture.
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The real messiah is not going to be killed, he is going to be a ruler who is going to save the Jews and bring peace and tranquillity to the whole world.
He is not going to be a wandering preacher and miracle healer.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
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Here you can see how the KJV is corrupted for the sake of fitting your messiah into Daniel 9:
About these seven weeks, there is something fishy going on in the King James. The 1611 KJV gives that verse in the correct form: " Know therefore and vnderstand, that from the going foorth of the commandement to restore and to build Ierusalem, vnto the Messiah the Prince, shall be seuen weekes; and threescore and two weekes, the street shall be built againe, and the wall, euen in troublous times."
See here: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...apter=9&verse=
We see there in the original 1611 KJV, that the colon is in the right place, right after the seven weeks.
This is changed around 1800. The accompanying explanation was that they wanted it to be more in line with the christological exegesis.
So they admitted that that translation was corrupted in order to squeeze JC into it.
So if anybody doubted the fact that the Christian Bible translations are corrupted in order to prove Christianity with it, here is the proof.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
"What is going on in Daniel 9?"
With the opening of the passage and the prayer of Daniel there are three sets of sevens which represent three shabu`iym yamiym or twenty and one yamiym. If one understands this particular idiomatic language, which is grounded in Torah, the same will understand what it means that Gabriyel arrives at the time of the evening oblation, at the close of the prayer, at the end of the third day of fasting and mourning.
Grace, grace to it.....
Grace, grace to it.....
The public ministry of Messiah, from the midst of the week of Sukkot in John 7:14 unto Golgotha, is eighty and one hundred yom, (Esther 1:4). And the yom from the beginning is an evening and a morning, as it is written, "And there is evening, and there is morning, Yom Echad", (and Numbers 7:11-84 expounds the twelve yamim-hours of the yom-day wherein the altar of sacrifice was anointed).
However the days of Messiah are abridged:
180 (Yom) x 7 (Yamim) = 1260 Yamim
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why don't you just paste the two renditions and ID them. One without the colon and one with.
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Something went wrong with that link. Here is the link to Daniel 9 in the orginal 1611 KJV, and everyone can see that they had it correct:
1611 King James Version
And here is the corrupted modern day KJV:
Modern day corrupted KJV
They both have a colon, only the place has changed. The 1611 KJV has the colon in the right place, and the modern day KJV in the wrong place.
So there you have it, the KJV is corrupted to facilitate Christianity.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
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So the official KJV version is that Messiah was there 49 years after the order to rebuild Jerusalem. Is that what you think?
Neverminding the fact that this is not how Christ used the material (Mt 24), it doesn't even put you in the Maccabean period, so it's pretty much trash.
Neverminding the fact that this is not how Christ used the material (Mt 24), it doesn't even put you in the Maccabean period, so it's pretty much trash.
Elia
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It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what is written in Daniel 9. And there it is written that 49 years after the outgoing of the word (that is WORD, and not "order") to return and rebuild Jerusalem, a messiah has to appear.
If you want to know who that messiah was, look here: Daniel 9
It doesn't matter how your messiah used the material, just like it doesn't matters how Mohammed used it, just like it doesn't matter how David Koresh used it.
Again; what matters is what is written there.
You are calling the words of God's prophets "trash", because it doesn't fit your outlook on religion??
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
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So here we see that Daniel 9, just like Isaiah 53, has nothing to do with the Christian messiah.
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!.”
Joshua 24:14-15
So here we see that Daniel 9, just like Isaiah 53, has nothing to do with the Christian messiah.
"Serve Y-H-W-H! And if it seems evil to you to serve Y-H-W-H, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.
But as for me and my house, we will serve Y-H-W-H!.”
Joshua 24:14-15
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Daniel 9 is all about the son of God, you choose not to see it.
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