Well, it's about time!

[ok doser]

(the) Trump ... administration started the practice.

the Trump administration started the practice in 1997? :freak:

When a migrant is prosecuted for illegal entry, he or she is taken into custody by the U.S. Marshals. In no circumstance anywhere in the U.S. do the marshals care for the children of people they take into custody. The child is taken into the custody of HHS, who cares for them at temporary shelters. The criminal proceedings are exceptionally short, assuming there is no aggravating factor such as a prior illegal entity or another crime. The migrants generally plead guilty, and they are then sentenced to time served, typically all in the same day, although practices vary along the border. After this, they are returned to the custody of ICE. If the adult then wants to go home, in keeping with the expedited order of removal that is issued as a matter of course, it’s relatively simple. The adult should be reunited quickly with his or her child, and the family returned home as a unit. In this scenario, there’s only a very brief separation. Where it becomes much more of an issue is if the adult files an asylum claim. In that scenario, the adults are almost certainly going to be detained longer than the government is allowed to hold their children. That’s because of something called the Flores Consent Decree from 1997. It says that unaccompanied children can be held only 20 days. A ruling by the Ninth Circuit extended this 20-day limit to children who come as part of family units. So even if we want to hold a family unit together, we are forbidden from doing so. The clock ticking on the time the government can hold a child will almost always run out before an asylum claim is settled. The migrant is allowed ten days to seek an attorney, and there may be continuances or other complications. This creates the choice of either releasing the adults and children together into the country pending the ajudication of the asylum claim, or holding the adults and releasing the children. If the adult is held, HHS places the child with a responsible party in the U.S., ideally a relative (migrants are likely to have family and friends here). https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/

 

[The Barbarian]

the Trump administration started the practice in 1997?

Nope. In this year. It was started by his AG for religious reasons, he said.

Yes, I know the new policy has been blamed on previous administrations, but as you realize, Trump lied about that. He says he wants to stop it, but all he has to do is order it stopped.

And the fact that he's already admitted he won't sign any bill from Congress that stops it, pretty much nails it.

Nice try, though.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Nope. In this year. It was started by his AG for religious reasons, he said.

Yes, I know the new policy has been blamed on previous administrations, but as you realize, Trump lied about that. He says he wants to stop it, but all he has to do is order it stopped.

And the fact that he's already admitted he won't sign any bill from Congress that stops it, pretty much nails it.

Nice try, though.

The troll might be back but there's no need to feed him.

 

[ok doser]

Yes, I know the new policy has been blamed on previous administrations...

educate yourself:https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067877/family-detention-immigration-flores

 

[ok doser]

and let's get on with building that wall so that illegal immigrants won't be tempted to game the system by bringing their children with them :thumb:

 

[annabenedetti]

Immigrant rights advocates invoked the Flores settlement to challenge the current detentions. The government argued that key parts of Flores didn't apply because the children were being detained with their parents. But on Friday, after months of negotiation, federal Judge Dolly Gee sided with the advocates. She ruled that the government was holding children in secured, prison-like, unlicensed facilities, and that violated the 1996 agreement.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9067877/family-detention-immigration-flores

 

[The Barbarian]

President Donald Trump has calculated that he will gain political leverage in congressional negotiations by continuing to enforce a policy he claims to hate — separating immigrant parents from their young children at the southern border, according to White House officials.

On Friday, Trump suggested he would not change the policy unless Democrats agreed to his other immigration demands, which include funding a border wall, tightening the rules for border enforcement and curbing legal entry. He also is intent on pushing members of his party to vote for a compromise measure that would achieve those long-standing priorities.

Trump's public acknowledgment that he was willing to let the policy continue as he pursued his political goals came as the president once again blamed Democrats for a policy enacted and touted by his own administration.

"The Democrats are forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda," he tweeted. After listing his demands in any immigration bill, he added "Go for it! WIN!"

The attempt to gain advantage from a practice the American Academy of Pediatrics describes as causing children "irreparable harm" sets up a high-stakes gambit for Trump, whose political career has long benefited from harsh rhetoric on immigration.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ion-bill-negotiating-tool-20180615-story.html

"Give me what I want, or the kids get it."

No wonder decent people despise him.

 

[The Barbarian]

The troll might be back but there's no need to feed him.

But he's so easy, it's hard to ignore.

 

[ok doser]

She ruled that the government was holding children in secured, prison-like, unlicensed facilities, and that violated the 1996 agreement.

right - that was bammy's attempt to deal with the problem and the federal judiciary ruled that he was wrong

trump's not doing that - he's having Human Services place them in foster homes.

 

[Arthur Brain]

But he's so easy, it's hard to ignore.

Well, sure, but heck man, apply some self restraint and just laugh from the sidelines...

 

[annabenedetti]

It was the Obama administration that actually stopped detaining families at the Hutto facility, in 2009 — which advocates took as an admission that "there's no way to detain families humanely." But in 2014, in the midst of a panic over the "surge" of Central American children and families into the US, the administration reversed course. They started holding hundreds of families in a makeshift facility in New Mexico, and built a pair of permanent family detention centers. Right now, more than 3,000 immigrant mothers and children are in detention.


https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

 

[Danoh]

It's gotten to the point that even the press won't cover for him. No one in their right mind would deny that Trump is a habitual liar.

I suspect a large part of their delay is due to inescapable fact that many within our society in general have long since so learned to hold back when what is needed at times is its' exact opposite, that it has become "deer in the headlights" second nature to many.

And in a way, the day after day, after day profoundly offending sense in one that people like a Weinstein and a Trump and so on has continued to arouse in many as a collective, has resulted in an equally collective force of rebellion against such, long overdue.

This kind of thing can be observed eventually bubbling up from within a people in all countries sooner or later, and repeatedly so, throughout each's history.

Mr Magoo (Trump) just so happened to put himself in its sooner or later inevitable harm's way, this go round: the voice of a people against such profound fraud, misrepresentation, lying and hypocrisy.

Sometime down the road, things will reach their boiling point, result in whatever they will, things will then eventually level out to some semblance of a "solution," the populace will gradually return to their sleep, and the thing will begin its next course toward...the same old, same old.

At least as far as "the course of this world" is concerned.

"Move along folks, same old, same old..."

 

[ok doser]

It was the Obama administration that actually stopped detaining families at the Hutto facility, in 2009 — which advocates took as an admission that "there's no way to detain families humanely." But in 2014, in the midst of a panic over the "surge" of Central American children and families into the US, the administration reversed course. They started holding hundreds of families in a makeshift facility in New Mexico, and built a pair of permanent family detention centers. Right now, more than 3,000 immigrant mothers and children are in detention.


https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

iow bammy fumbled with this problem for eight years without finding a good solution

the result of all that ineptitude? an electorate that was fed up with eight years of democratic fumbling and ineptitude and the election of a man who promised to solve the problem


way to go democrats :thumb:

 

[Idolater]

iow bammy fumbled with this problem for eight years without finding a good solution

Not fair---too general; this comment applies to most things.

 

[The Barbarian]

Well, sure, but heck man, apply some self restraint and just laugh from the sidelines...

O.K. No more poking at the troll. :nono:

 

[glorydaz]

As you know, Trump most recently and egregiously claimed that his policy of separating children from their parents was forced by the democrats and that he wanted to change it. And as you also know, it's his policy, and he could end it immediately, if he wanted to do so.

Would you like a list of some of the bigger whoppers he's told?

He has been forced by the Democrats, and the only way to change it would be to give in to their demands for an open border. I know you'd love to have him break his campaign promises....then you'd have something else to blame him for.

Before you ride your holier-than-thou horse off into the sunset, look at what the last president did. I say what Trump is doing is much better than what was done before.

Here is a brief list of things the Obama administration did do: Arrested tens of thousands of undocumented parents whose kids were US citizens, causing them to lose contact with their children. “Disappeared” those parents in the immigration enforcement system, where they were nigh-on impossible to track down, before deporting them to countries they hadn’t lived in for as long as decades. Orphaned thousands of kids who were left without a legal guardian when their parents were shunted to another country. Sent the parents of those kids to places where there was more than a good chance they’d be kidnapped, tortured, sexually assaulted, killed, or sometimes all of the above. Traumatized both the kids left behind and the kids whose parents were undocumented but not yet arrested, which saw those kids develop symptoms of PTSD, stress-based health problems, and night terrors. In other words, Obama may have never specifically called for migrants to have their kids taken away when crossing the border, but wrenching parents away from their kids — in many cases, permanently — was for many years a regular, known outcome of his policies. This isn’t even to mention the Alien Transfer and Exit Program (ATEP), began in 2008, but which saw an increase in use under Obama. ATEP was a less extreme precursor to Trump’s current policy, with the same goal: to make crossing the border such an awful, disorienting ordeal that migrants would never try to do so again. Migrants traveling together would be separated, then shipped off hundreds of miles away to a mystery location, often with no I.D., money, belongings, no way to contact their loved ones or the people they had been traveling with, nor any idea what they would do once they were there. Often, they were sent to places less safe than those they traveled from, making them easy targets for local criminals. Hundreds of families were separated, typically husbands and wives. Disappearing someone’s husband may not be quite as awful as stealing someone’s children, but you have to wonder when it was decided that one policy was “evil” while the other was acceptable. This was particularly perilous for women, who, after being separated from their traveling companions, were subsequently at much higher risk of sexual assault. READ SOME FACTS for a change instead of just the Dems' talking points. https://jacobinmag.com/2018/05/trump-obama-child-deportations-ice-immigration

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[glorydaz]

iow bammy fumbled with this problem for eight years without finding a good solution

the result of all that ineptitude? an electorate that was fed up with eight years of democratic fumbling and ineptitude and the election of a man who promised to solve the problem


way to go democrats :thumb:

There ya go. :thumb:

 

[ok doser]

Not fair---too general; this comment applies to most things.

not things that have an obvious and effective solution

Spoiler

Build the wall!

 

[The Barbarian]

He has been forced by the Democrats,

Nope. It's his policy, and he could stop it right now, if he didn't want to abuse those kids. He's admitted that he would stop it, if Congress would do what he wanted. It's a hostage situation. "Give me what I want, or the kids get it."

And it's unneccessary. Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants, so Trump really has no excuse.

We're very close to forcing a vote to stop the abuse in Congress. At that point, every republican will have to decide which way to go.

Let's see what happens.

 

[ok doser]

Nope. It's his policy, and he could stop it right now.....

how?

how could he "stop it right now"?


by doing what, exactly?