Ukraine Crisis

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@annabenedetti How does it feel to be a gullible Patsy for the corrupt Biden family?





Beware the media narrative because it’s probably nowhere near the truth​

Moment by moment, media is filled with stories that are incorrect, misleading and outright lies in an attempt to manipulate public opinion. Ginning up populations to believe overseas conflicts are directly affecting their well-being at home has become a notorious game for corporatist media and social platforms.

The newest assault on the senses of the West is that Ukraine is an innocent bystander that bully Russia has invaded unprovoked. The narrative is that all freedom-loving people should be outraged enough to provide actor-president Volodymyr Zelenskyy with an arsenal that would draw non-combatant states into a worldwide conflict. And for what? To protect the money-laundering center for political criminals and World Economic Forum (WEF) oligarchs that is rated among the ten most corrupt nations on the face of the globe?

Tied to the conflagration in Eastern Europe are the flagrant lies of the Biden administration​

Zelenskyy is not the virtuous victim international news organizations have touted non-stop since the outbreak of war. He is and has been closely tied to the deep-seated corruption of Ukraine’s political class, puppeted by the WEF, funded by energy oligarchs with fingers stirring the entertainment pot from which Zelenskyy emerged. He was chosen to play a character promoting Ukraine independence but sold-out to the now openly stated ambition of consolidating a “New World Order.”

Numerous personalities from Klaus Schwab, WEF’s founder, to Joe Biden have declared the intention of building such a global political-economic entity. It’s not and never has been a “conspiracy theory.” That’s proven by their own public announcements and Zelenskyy is a minor player along with other so-called leaders like Justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron.

This does not absolve Vladimir Putin from accountability in forcing the issue by physically invading Ukraine territory however, as reckless his expectation of reconstructing the USSR may be, his rationale isn’t wholly invalid. The tragedy is the lives of the people of both nations and, in the wider sense, the world’s economies are being upended in a catastrophic power play.

There are no good guys in this fight and the United States does not belong in the middle of it except as a ploy to cloud the issue of Biden family and other U.S. politicians’ use of Ukraine as a personal cash cow.

 

Gary K

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After Russia's invasion of Ukraine the press and people here were saying the ruble would collapse and Russia would go bankrupt a month ago. It's value did go down, but it has come back to pre Ukrainian invasion levels. What has caused this? The ruble is now tied to the value of gold and all the countries hostile to Russia needing Russian oil are now having to pay for it in rubles.

All of Biden's sanctions against Russia have boomeranged and are now hurting the US and Europe. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Russia has been threatened with being kicked out of the SWIFT currency system now for at least 5 years so they have had lots of time to prepare for that eventuality. We warned them for years and in doing so gave them all the time they needed to prepare their response. And their response is taking the US dollar out of being the world's reserve currency. That is deadly to the US dollar. If you thought prices were going up fast now, just hang on to your hat. You ain't seen nothing yet.

 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine the press and people here were saying the ruble would collapse and Russia would go bankrupt a month ago. It's value did go down, but it has come back to pre Ukrainian invasion levels. What has caused this? The ruble is now tied to the value of gold and all the countries hostile to Russia needing Russian oil are now having to pay for it in rubles.
Right, and where do you get rubles from? Who has rubles, that you can buy from them? Russians have rubles. So you are going to Russians who own rubles and who are now going to sell you them, for some price, in your own currency, be it the USD, EUR or whatever----something way more valuable than the ruble. So you are propping up the quote-unquote value of the ruble because you're forcing people to pay you in rubles so there's a run on rubles. So the price of rubles goes up. In your currency. And that's the exchange rate. So they're monkeying with the exchange rate. It's Russian macroeconomic market interference. No one would pay them in rubles voluntarily. They would pay them in USD or EUR or whatever, and then the Russians would have to exchange for rubles, which would just be paying USD or EUR or whatever to Russians for Russian rubles. There's no run on Russian rubles within Russia, it's just outsiders who need them. So outside of Russia the demand for rubles has risen, but not inside. So then overall the demand for rubles has increased. Supply hasn't changed probably, maybe it's even less now, it's not like the Russians don't control their M1 and M2 money supply like everyone else does. If the supply remains constant and the demand goes up then the price goes up. So the ruble's value has gone up. It's not natural growth in value.
All of Biden's sanctions against Russia have boomeranged and are now hurting the US and Europe. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Russia has been threatened with being kicked out of the SWIFT currency system now for at least 5 years so they have had lots of time to prepare for that eventuality. We warned them for years and in doing so gave them all the time they needed to prepare their response. And their response is taking the US dollar out of being the world's reserve currency. That is deadly to the US dollar. If you thought prices were going up fast now, just hang on to your hat. You ain't seen nothing yet.
I hope, you're wrong.
 

Gary K

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Right, and where do you get rubles from? Who has rubles, that you can buy from them? Russians have rubles. So you are going to Russians who own rubles and who are now going to sell you them, for some price, in your own currency, be it the USD, EUR or whatever----something way more valuable than the ruble. So you are propping up the quote-unquote value of the ruble because you're forcing people to pay you in rubles so there's a run on rubles. So the price of rubles goes up. In your currency. And that's the exchange rate. So they're monkeying with the exchange rate. It's Russian macroeconomic market interference. No one would pay them in rubles voluntarily. They would pay them in USD or EUR or whatever, and then the Russians would have to exchange for rubles, which would just be paying USD or EUR or whatever to Russians for Russian rubles. There's no run on Russian rubles within Russia, it's just outsiders who need them. So outside of Russia the demand for rubles has risen, but not inside. So then overall the demand for rubles has increased. Supply hasn't changed probably, maybe it's even less now, it's not like the Russians don't control their M1 and M2 money supply like everyone else does. If the supply remains constant and the demand goes up then the price goes up. So the ruble's value has gone up. It's not natural growth in value.

I hope, you're wrong.
***shakes head in wonder***

The value of a ruble going up because of growth of demand is exactly what natural growth in value is. Here is an example. Remember pet rocks? The price of plain old rocks went up because people's perceived valuation of them went up. That's all a sale price is. Perceived value. Plus the linkage to the price of gold is a strong selling point when compared to fiat currencies. Fiat currencies aren't worth the paper they are printed on. The ruble is linked directly to the value of gold and that increases the perceived value of the ruble as gold has extrinsic value.

It also reduces the values of all currencies that are not linked to the price of gold. The US dollar is one of those currencies.

This is what I said would happen. The US would be hurt far more than the Russia would because Russia has far less debt and far more gold. Biden and company were stupid enough to say Russia couldn't buy gold with dollars. That is plain old stupid. Russia isn't buying gold they are selling it by linking the ruble to the price of gold. Putin and company made Biden and company look idiotic.
 

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
***shakes head in wonder***
Plain.
The value of a ruble going up because of growth of demand is exactly what natural growth in value is.
Not when it's entirely due to macroeconomic intervention in the market, that's literally the opposite of natural growth in value.
Here is an example. Remember pet rocks? The price of plain old rocks went up because people's perceived valuation of them went up. That's all a sale price is. Perceived value. Plus the linkage to the price of gold is a strong selling point when compared to fiat currencies.
Nobody . . . nobody is buying rubles because of gold.
Fiat currencies aren't worth the paper they are printed on.
100 USD notes are actually worth more than their weight in gold, in contrast to what you're saying.
The ruble is linked directly to the value of gold and that increases the perceived value of the ruble as gold has extrinsic value.

It also reduces the values of all currencies that are not linked to the price of gold. The US dollar is one of those currencies.

This is what I said would happen. The US would be hurt far more than the Russia would because Russia has far less debt and far more gold. Biden and company were stupid enough to say Russia couldn't buy gold with dollars. That is plain old stupid. Russia isn't buying gold they are selling it by linking the ruble to the price of gold. Putin and company made Biden and company look idiotic.
The only thing Russians are selling is rubles, and it's because customers have to pay their Russian bills in Russian rubles, so there's artificial demand for rubles so there's manipulated value growth.

It's not the dumbest idea I've ever heard tbh. Who knows what other countries might add this to their bag of tricks for use at some advantageous future point.
 

annabenedetti

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It's only been 2 days since you pretended you wanted to avoid me, yet here you are, back in my thread. 😂

Anyhoo, while you're here:
After Russia's invasion of Ukraine the press and people here were saying the ruble would collapse and Russia would go bankrupt a month ago.

Say what? What "people here" said the ruble would collapse and Russia would go bankrupt? Got names and links, or did you just pull that one out of your hat?

It's value did go down, but it has come back to pre Ukrainian invasion levels. What has caused this? The ruble is now tied to the value of gold and all the countries hostile to Russia needing Russian oil are now having to pay for it in rubles.

All of Biden's sanctions against Russia have boomeranged and are now hurting the US and Europe. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Russia has been threatened with being kicked out of the SWIFT currency system now for at least 5 years so they have had lots of time to prepare for that eventuality. We warned them for years and in doing so gave them all the time they needed to prepare their response. And their response is taking the US dollar out of being the world's reserve currency. That is deadly to the US dollar. If you thought prices were going up fast now, just hang on to your hat. You ain't seen nothing yet.

Regurgitating RT talking points again, are you?

As it happens, Russia already walked back the gas for rubles threat, and a bipartisan group of senators is working to prevent Russia from going around sanctions via either gold or crypto.

The U.S., Canada, Europe, and other free nations will continue to work to force Putin out of Ukraine, regardless of those like you who carry his water and prop up his genocidal ideology.
 

annabenedetti

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Russia continues to claim they didn't harm civilians, but satellite photos clearly show they're lying, showing the bodies in the streets before Russia withdrew from the area. Women and children raped, many bodies showing signs of torture. Yet right-wingers continue to prop up Putin both by casting aspersions on Ukraine and by rationalizing Putin's actions.
 

Arthur Brain

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Russia continues to claim they didn't harm civilians, but satellite photos clearly show they're lying, showing the bodies in the streets before Russia withdrew from the area. Women and children raped, many bodies showing signs of torture. Yet right-wingers continue to prop up Putin both by casting aspersions on Ukraine and by rationalizing Putin's actions.
They have to but they know it doesn't fly They're showing the same footage on their state controlled media with the caption "fake" alongside and their spokesperson is claiming that not even one Ukrainian civilian has been harmed by Russian troops. It's pathetic. Anyone who is an apologist for Putin is either a sociopath or just flat out thick. The BBC is rightfully regarded as one of the best news outlets for war coverage with many long serving correspondents out there in the thick of it reporting exactly what's going on with no room for doubt. Those on the far right seem to prefer to get their "news" on this from "Fox" TGP and laud the likes of Tucker Carlson...
 
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