What would convince you?
toldailytopic: In your opinion what are some of the most convincing pieces of evidenc
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What would convince you?
SeraphimsCherub
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except that god called you. Silent Hunter, is in fact saying: 'There have never been any so-called gods before ME,and neither shall there be any other after ME'...:rotfl:
A plausible explanation of how God came into existence.
There are mysteries!
The human brain/mind can only go so far.
But with the help of AI we are progressing exponentially in our understanding of ourselves and the universe.
SeraphimsCherub
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Why would GOD "need" to come into existence? HE'S ETERNAL...HE IS...THE SELF EXISTANT ONE
Very simple ... everything we *know* as human beings has a beginning and an end.
And we can see neither, yet, we may believe or disbelieve that they exist somewhere.
Silent Hunter
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:liberals:
SeraphimsCherub
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Yeah..."everything we know". Now if there is a GOD, A HIGHER POWER than thus we are. Then surely HIS ways,and HIS thoughts are far far far beyond ours.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
We also no that something does not come from nothing...yet here we are. Though GOD'S invisibleness would be as something coming out of nothing when HE first brought matter into existence.
Silent Hunter
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How convenient and sad an explanation for the theist . . .
Silent Hunter
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Fixed it for you . . .
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GuySmiley
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It is convenient, but why is it sad? I like convenience, it makes me happy.
SeraphimsCherub
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Well to me...it's irrational that the thought of GOD'S existence should make you sad. :rain:
A rock can not create it self out of nothing. But a supreme being can.
This rocket is nowhere near as complex as the earth. Did it get here by magic, or did a creator (engineering team) create it?
Knight said:
I have never argued to the contrary. You, yourself, used the word *if*.
I am not arguing this point which, in actuality, is relevant to what I previously stated.
Exactly ... your own words tend to acknowledge the point I have made. There is no conclusive evidence that would prove or disprove God's existence.
I never stated that it could ...
Aimiel
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His Word. His Presence. His Mighty Right Hand in my life. The many ways He moves Heaven and earth to bring His Word to pass. The ways He encourages me with His Word, via sermons, friends' testimonies, neighbors, family and friends speaking to me things that He has said to me. How sweet His Presence is in worship and how He meets me every single time I turn to Him in prayer.
PureX
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For me, there are three strong arguments/evidences in favor of the existence of God.
One is the fact that existence is ordered. The energy that is being expressed as the universe is not being expressed as pure chaos. There are limits within the expressed chaos that enable order to occur. And it's through the relationship between chaos and order that the universe exists as it does. This simple and unavoidable fact forces us to consider the origin of those limitations, from which order has sprung. It doesn't prove that God exists, but it certainly invites the mind to contemplate this mysterious creative source, and the possibility of some purpose to existence (as order implies purpose).
The second is the phenomena of gestalt. Gestalt is a physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration or pattern of elements that, when unified as a whole, its properties cannot be derived from a simple summation of its parts. The configuration results in a phenomena that far surpasses the possibilities inherent in the sum of the parts being configured. As an example: matter from energy, life from matter, and consciousness from living matter. Each opens up a whole new realm of existential possibilities that were not previously enabled and were not endemic to the elements involved. Gestalt shows us that the possibilities inherent within existence transcend our comprehension of it. And thus throws the door wide open to the very real possibility of God.
And the third bit of strong evidence for the existence of God is experiential. We humans need for God to exist, and that need is being fulfilled. It is built into our nature as human beings to seek the answers to those existential questions we have about the origin, nature, and purpose of our own being. And we acquired our nature through our place within the nature of the universe as a whole. In a very real way, the universe is contemplating it's own existence, through us. All of existence is seeking God.
Atheists like to use the "God of the gaps" argument against theism, but they completely overlook the real significance of their own observations, which is that the gap exists! The gap is there, and is real, and is within us all, even the atheists, themselves. It is that gap that causes us to need and to seek after God in the first place. And that gap, that need, is there as an expression of the whole universe, as we are manifestations of the universe expressing itself.
I've heard all the atheist's arguments against these evidences, and have found that they just don't hold their water.
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