This is what emboldened white supremacists look like

[fool]

the camel is white? :freak:

I imagine he was camel colored.

 

[Angel4Truth]

It doesn't matter where the body is, what matters is the record of who he was.

He doesnt have family who can keep up with that, without "worm food"? Ill bet a great many early americans are complete unknowns now. Do you cry for them all while also beleiving this life is it, then worm food?

 

[Angel4Truth]

What you consider a bag of worms is in reality a DNA datum that could reveal the heritage of hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens.
People who's ancestors came here as cargo rather than as passengers.

I dont consider them bags of worms, atheism does. Care to revise your faith?

You still refuse to answer why it matters to an atheist.

 

[fool]

i'd be happy to give them time off from looting and protesting :idunno:

heck, i'll even give 'em a shovel or two

Will you man the trench with them?
Shoulder to shoulder? Like Men used to do?

 

[Angel4Truth]

If I was a horse or a cattle I might care.
I'm a human being, just like those slaves.

Just like white slaves, and just like poor and average folks long past right?

 

[Town Heretic]

And you for sure being atheist, seem way up in arms to be so concerned about bags of worms, right?

What you consider a bag of worms is in reality a DNA datum that could reveal the heritage of hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens.
People who's ancestors came here as cargo rather than as passengers.

I dont consider them bags of worms, atheism does.

You're an atheist now?

Care to revise your faith?

Care to revise your rhetoric?

You still refuse to answer why it matters to an atheist.

Why doesn't it matter to you as a Christian?

 

[fool]

Thats false, there are loads of whites whose families never knew they existed too and churches people never knew existed, and cities people never knew existed, etc.

Tell me again why it matters at all to the atheist. It sounds to me like you are concerned about mattering and being remembered, why since this is all there is and then worm food?

If you have found you finally need to know purpose on more than just this life then worm food, thats a great place to start to search for the Lord.

I don't need "The Lord" to think that maybe we should not treat people like cargo.
I just want to dig up the dead people and connect them with the living.

 

[fool]

Weird, i know i have irish slaves in my lineage. You didnt learn about that though did you.

What of all the white sex slaves here? I bet they have no grave markers either after their pimps use them up or they are murdered.

We should do something about that to.

 

[drbrumley]

I don't need "The Lord" to think that maybe we should not treat people like cargo.

That's nice!

I just want to dig up the dead people and connect them with the living.

Nice sentiment. At whose expense.....fully volunteered or someone paying for it? If payment, where is the money coming from? As an addendum, why stop there, how about the American Indian? Certainly they should get the same treatment then as entire tribes were murdered at the hands of the United States Government.

 

[fool]

He doesnt have family who can keep up with that, without "worm food"? Ill bet a great many early americans are complete unknowns now. Do you cry for them all while also beleiving this life is it, then worm food?

See, that's the point Angel. His family was SOLD back and forth. It was Illegal to teach them to read or write. They don't know who they came from.
Ireland is much smaller than Africa.

 

[ok doser]

this bears repeating:

to what purpose?


heck, most of 'em don't even know who their fathers are

 

[drbrumley]

After the Confederates, Who's Next?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
May 26, 2017

On Sept. 1, 1864, Union forces under Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, victorious at Jonesborough, burned Atlanta and began the March to the Sea where Sherman’s troops looted and pillaged farms and towns all along the 300-mile road to Savannah. Captured in the Confederate defeat at Jonesborough was William Martin Buchanan of Okolona, Mississippi, who was transferred by rail to the Union POW stockade at Camp Douglas, Illinois. By the standards of modernity, my great-grandfather, fighting to prevent the torching of Georgia’s capital, was engaged in a criminal and immoral cause. And “Uncle Billy” Sherman was a liberator. Under President Grant, Sherman took command of the Union army and ordered Gen. Philip Sheridan, who had burned the Shenandoah Valley to starve Virginia into submission, to corral the Plains Indians on reservations. It is in dispute as to whether Sheridan said, “The only good Indian is a dead Indian.” There is no dispute as to the contempt Sheridan had for the Indians, killing their buffalo to deprive them of food. Today, great statues stand in the nation’s capital, along with a Sherman and a Sheridan circle, to honor these most ruthless of generals in that bloodiest of wars that cost 620,000 American lives. Yet, across the South and even in border states like Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, one may find statues of Confederate soldiers in town squares to honor the valor and sacrifices of the Southern men and boys who fought and fell in the Lost Cause. When the Spanish-American War broke out, President McKinley, who as a teenage soldier had fought against “Stonewall” Jackson in the Shenandoah and been at Antietam, bloodiest single-day battle of the Civil War, removed his hat and stood for the singing of “Dixie,” as Southern volunteers and former Confederate soldiers paraded through Atlanta to fight for their united country. My grandfather was in that army. For a century, Americans lived comfortably with the honoring, North and South, of the men who fought on both sides. But today’s America is not the magnanimous country we grew up in. Since the ’60s, there has arisen an ideology that holds that the Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany and those who fought under its battle flag should be regarded as traitors or worse. Thus, in New Orleans, statues of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America, and General Robert E. Lee were just pulled down. And a drive is underway to take down the statue of Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans and president of the United States, which stands in Jackson Square. Why? Old Hickory was a slave owner and Indian fighter who used his presidential power to transfer the Indians of Georgia out to the Oklahoma Territory in a tragedy known as the Trail of Tears. But if Jackson, and James K. Polk, who added the Southwest and California to the United States after the Mexican-American War, were slave owners, so, too, were four of our first five presidents. The list includes the father of our country, George Washington, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, and the author of our Constitution, James Madison. Not only are the likenesses of Washington and Jefferson carved on Mount Rushmore, the two Virginians are honored with two of the most magnificent monuments and memorials in Washington, D.C. Behind this remorseless drive to blast the greatest names from America’s past off public buildings, and to tear down their statues and monuments, is an egalitarian extremism rooted in envy and hate. Among its core convictions is that spreading Christianity was a cover story for rapacious Europeans who, after discovering America, came in masses to dispossess and exterminate native peoples. “The white race,” wrote Susan Sontag, “is the cancer of human history.” Today, the men we were taught to revere as the great captains, explorers, missionaries and nation-builders are seen by many as part of a racist, imperialist, genocidal enterprise, wicked men who betrayed and eradicated the peace-loving natives who had welcomed them. What they blindly refuse to see is that while its sins are scarlet, as are those of all civilizations, it is the achievements of the West that are unrivaled. The West ended slavery. Christianity and the West gave birth to the idea of inalienable human rights. As scholar Charles Murray has written, 97 percent of the world’s most significant figures and 97 percent of the world’s greatest achievements in the arts, architecture, literature, astronomy, biology, earth sciences, physics, medicine, mathematics and technology came from the West. What is disheartening is not that there are haters of our civilization out there, but that there seem to be fewer defenders. Of these icon-smashers it may be said: Like ISIS and Boko Haram, they can tear down statues, but these people could never build a country. What happens, one wonders, when these Philistines discover that the seated figure in the statue, right in front of D.C.’s Union Station, is the High Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Christopher Columbus? Happy Memorial Day!

Good article Pat....

 

[fool]

That's nice!

I'm a nice guy.

Nice sentiment. At whose expense.....fully volunteered or someone paying for it? If payment, where is the money coming from?

Well how bout we divert some of the money from here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/government-spending-confederate-graves/277931/

But even most Civil War experts don't realize the federal government has spent more than $2 million in the past decade to produce and ship headstones honoring Confederate dead, often at the request of local Confederate heritage groups in the South, and overwhelmingly in Georgia. Going back to at least 2002, the government has provided more headstones for Confederate graves than for Union soldiers' graves. In that time, the Department of Veterans Affairs has provided approximately 33,000 headstones for veterans of the Civil War. Sixty percent of those have been for Confederate soldiers.

Ground penetrating radar is only $1,000 and acre. Or you can by one for ten grand:
https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=222519770460&&&dispItem=1&chn=ps

As an addendum, why stop there, how about the American Indian?

Dig them up too.

Certainly they should get the same treatment then as entire tribes were murdered at the hands of the United States Government.

Absolutly.
Dig up all the victims.

 

[fool]

this bears repeating:

Because they might at least know who their Great great grandfathers are.

 

[fool]

After the Confederates, Who's Next?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
May 26, 2017

On Sept. 1, 1864, Union forces under Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, victorious at Jonesborough, burned Atlanta and began the March to the Sea where Sherman’s troops looted and pillaged farms and towns all along the 300-mile road to Savannah. Captured in the Confederate defeat at Jonesborough was William Martin Buchanan of Okolona, Mississippi, who was transferred by rail to the Union POW stockade at Camp Douglas, Illinois. By the standards of modernity, my great-grandfather, fighting to prevent the torching of Georgia’s capital, was engaged in a criminal and immoral cause. And “Uncle Billy” Sherman was a liberator. Under President Grant, Sherman took command of the Union army and ordered Gen. Philip Sheridan, who had burned the Shenandoah Valley to starve Virginia into submission, to corral the Plains Indians on reservations. It is in dispute as to whether Sheridan said, “The only good Indian is a dead Indian.” There is no dispute as to the contempt Sheridan had for the Indians, killing their buffalo to deprive them of food. Today, great statues stand in the nation’s capital, along with a Sherman and a Sheridan circle, to honor these most ruthless of generals in that bloodiest of wars that cost 620,000 American lives. Yet, across the South and even in border states like Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, one may find statues of Confederate soldiers in town squares to honor the valor and sacrifices of the Southern men and boys who fought and fell in the Lost Cause. When the Spanish-American War broke out, President McKinley, who as a teenage soldier had fought against “Stonewall” Jackson in the Shenandoah and been at Antietam, bloodiest single-day battle of the Civil War, removed his hat and stood for the singing of “Dixie,” as Southern volunteers and former Confederate soldiers paraded through Atlanta to fight for their united country. My grandfather was in that army. For a century, Americans lived comfortably with the honoring, North and South, of the men who fought on both sides. But today’s America is not the magnanimous country we grew up in. Since the ’60s, there has arisen an ideology that holds that the Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany and those who fought under its battle flag should be regarded as traitors or worse. Thus, in New Orleans, statues of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America, and General Robert E. Lee were just pulled down. And a drive is underway to take down the statue of Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans and president of the United States, which stands in Jackson Square. Why? Old Hickory was a slave owner and Indian fighter who used his presidential power to transfer the Indians of Georgia out to the Oklahoma Territory in a tragedy known as the Trail of Tears. But if Jackson, and James K. Polk, who added the Southwest and California to the United States after the Mexican-American War, were slave owners, so, too, were four of our first five presidents. The list includes the father of our country, George Washington, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, and the author of our Constitution, James Madison. Not only are the likenesses of Washington and Jefferson carved on Mount Rushmore, the two Virginians are honored with two of the most magnificent monuments and memorials in Washington, D.C. Behind this remorseless drive to blast the greatest names from America’s past off public buildings, and to tear down their statues and monuments, is an egalitarian extremism rooted in envy and hate. Among its core convictions is that spreading Christianity was a cover story for rapacious Europeans who, after discovering America, came in masses to dispossess and exterminate native peoples. “The white race,” wrote Susan Sontag, “is the cancer of human history.” Today, the men we were taught to revere as the great captains, explorers, missionaries and nation-builders are seen by many as part of a racist, imperialist, genocidal enterprise, wicked men who betrayed and eradicated the peace-loving natives who had welcomed them. What they blindly refuse to see is that while its sins are scarlet, as are those of all civilizations, it is the achievements of the West that are unrivaled. The West ended slavery. Christianity and the West gave birth to the idea of inalienable human rights. As scholar Charles Murray has written, 97 percent of the world’s most significant figures and 97 percent of the world’s greatest achievements in the arts, architecture, literature, astronomy, biology, earth sciences, physics, medicine, mathematics and technology came from the West. What is disheartening is not that there are haters of our civilization out there, but that there seem to be fewer defenders. Of these icon-smashers it may be said: Like ISIS and Boko Haram, they can tear down statues, but these people could never build a country. What happens, one wonders, when these Philistines discover that the seated figure in the statue, right in front of D.C.’s Union Station, is the High Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Christopher Columbus? Happy Memorial Day!

Good article Pat....

Melt em down.

 

[ok doser]

Because they might at least know who their Great great grandfathers are.

on their maternal side, maybe

 

[ok doser]

Dig up all the victims.

leave 'em buried and move on

 

[drbrumley]

Well how bout we divert some of the money from here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/government-spending-confederate-graves/277931/


Ground penetrating radar is only $1,000 and acre. Or you can by one for ten grand:
https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=222519770460&&&dispItem=1&chn=ps

So, if people don't want that done, then what?

 

[ok doser]

So, if people don't want that done, then what?

why can't blacks pony up the $1000 an acre if they want it done?

 

[drbrumley]

why can't blacks pony up the $1000 an acre if they want it done?

They can if it's voluntary...but I'm not sure [MENTION=4370]fool[/MENTION] means voluntary..