The Trinity

[God's Truth]

You clearly missed my point.

It wasn't an analogy. It was an example of what the word "echad" means, it means "one of plurality." Not "one of singularity."



Did Jesus say, "This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased"?



No, not yet.



I don't have a wife, at least not yet.



You have clearly missed the point I was making above, meaning it would be pointless to respond to the rest of this paragraph.





So, just out of curiosity, why did you make the distinction just there? Why not just say "Never ever is obeying Jesus' words as doing something wrong"?



Because it's not our own language that we're using. We're using the original Hebrew to understand what was said, because some Hebrew words have more depth of meaning than do English words that has, at least somewhat, been lost in translation.

GT, I can't tell you how many times I've told you that in Hebrew there is more than one word for the word "one."

"Yachad," "bad," and "echad," all mean "one," but "yachad" and "bad" mean "one (singular)," as in, "one person," "one bicycle," and "one king." "Echad," however, means "one (of plurality)," as in "the two shall become 'one (of plurality)' flesh," and "the people are 'one (of plurality)' and they all have 'one (of plurality)' language."

The same word is used not just every so often, but EVERY SINGLE TIME in the Old Testament, to describe God as "one God."

He is 'one (of plurality)' God.

The first verse in the Bible shows that God is a plurality, but still one being.

In the beginning, God (plural noun for God) created (singular verb for create).

In English, that would be a grammatical error, and you'd get marked off if you wrote like that in school. But Moses intentionally wrote the verse that way. Or what, do you really think that he made a grammatical mistake in the very first verse of the Bible? Did God inspire him to make a mistake like that?

GT, my questions for you are these:

Did Jesus say, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"?

Why did you make the distinction between "Jesus' words" and "God's words" above if you believe that they are one and the same?

Do you comprehend that the english word "one" does not always have the same meaning, and that it's a poor substitution for the Hebrew words "yachad," "bad," and "echad"?

Do you really think that you prove three different Gods are written in the scriptures but called one?

One means the same. The Bible has been translated with the right word on this and it means one as in the same.

God says there is no one like Him and no one beside Him. When He says that He is not really saying there is no one like the three of them or beside the three of them.

 

[God's Truth]

One God....the Father, Son, and Spirit. One name even.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:​

They're smarter than you are, so I won't need to tell them anything.

They know quite well that men are not God even if you call them by a particular name.

And they know the statue is only a representation of the person they worship.

That's more than you know.

Catholics bow BEFORE statues and GOD says not to do it. God does not say go ahead and bow before a statue as long as you are really thinking of Me.

By the way, pagans also say that when they bow before their statues, they are imagining their real god too.

 

[glorydaz]

Abraham and Paul were righteous for believing and obeying God.

Abraham obeyed God from the beginning.

I can hardly believe you said those who obeyed the law were not righteous.


Psalm 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Do you think that verse proves something? You really do think too highly of yourself, GuT. :nono:


That is the "book of the living". David is asking that they not have a long and blessed life here on earth as is promised to the righteous.

Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.​

And Paul can hardly be called righteous when he was Saul persecuting the church. Yet he tell us he was blameless under the law.

Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.​

 

[glorydaz]

Yeah..... Uhm.....i've received it to an inexpressible extent.

Mercy? Then go a step further, and you may obtain Grace. You won't be saved until you access that Grace by faith. And you won't have faith until you acknowledge Jesus as Lord God. You can't just mouth what you think will be accepted. If we can see you don't know Him, He surely can see that.

Step 1 - Put off that foolish pride.


We'll be watching....

 

[God's Truth]

Do you think that verse proves something? You really do think too highly of yourself, GuT. :nono:


That is the "book of the living". David is asking that they not have a long and blessed life here on earth as is promised to the righteous.

You said people who obeyed the law were not righteous. HAHAHA

Psalm 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.​

And Paul can hardly be called righteous when he was Saul persecuting the church. Yet he tell us he was blameless under the law.

Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.​

You sound so dazed and confused. Paul when Saul was not righteous. Paul when Saul did not obey God.

 

[patrick jane]

Mercy? Then go a step further, and you may obtain Grace. You won't be saved until you access that Grace by faith. And you won't have faith until you acknowledge Jesus as Lord God. You can't just mouth what you think will be accepted. If we can see you don't know Him, He surely can see that.

Step 1 - Put off that foolish pride.


We'll be watching....

You are doing a great job teaching teaching a group of stubborn, prideful TOLers about the Godhead with scriptures and explanations. I think you are laying it out very clearly, even showing them where and why they are wrong. It helps everybody here, thanks.

 

[glorydaz]

Catholics bow BEFORE statues and GOD says not to do it. God does not say go ahead and bow before a statue as long as you are really thinking of Me.

By the way, pagans also say that when they bow before their statues, they are imagining their real god too.

Where does God say that? I'll tell you where....in the Law.

I could bow before a bag of potato chips, but I'm not worshipping it as God. Your legalism is showing.

Your idol is your own false "teaching", and that is what you serve every day of the week. That is worse than anything I've seen Catholics doing.

 

[God's Truth]

It was an example how "the two are one". I know it's a bit over your head, but do try to keep up.



And STOP MOCKING our Triune God just because you're too filled with Pride to know Him. :down:

There are not three different making one God.

There is no one like Him or besides Him. That is SCRIPTURE.

 

[God's Truth]

Of course. God's UNtruth is the truth teller, and the Apostle Paul was the Liar. :chuckle:

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Romans 4:5-6 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.​

Paul is speaking about faith and no works of the law. BECAUSE it took works of the law to make one righteous before God now it only takes faith in Jesus' blood cleaning us of the sins we repent of doing.

 

[glorydaz]

You said people who obeyed the law were not righteous. HAHAHA

You sound so dazed and confused. Paul when Saul was not righteous. Paul when Saul did not obey God.

If you weren't always laughing like a demented being, you might have time to read the verses.

You are exactly like Paul when he was a Pharisee...his confidence was in his flesh. He obeyed the law, in fact, he says, "as touching the righteousness which is in the law, BLAMELESS."

Now, don't you feel the fool for laughing like a hyena?

Phil. 3:4-6 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.​

The righteousness of the law is not the righteousness of faith. AND HERE IS WHY.

The righteousness of the law is man's best efforts at righteousness.

The righteousness of faith is the perfect righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ accounted to man.

 

[God's Truth]

Where does God say that? I'll tell you where....in the Law.

I could bow before a bag of potato chips, but I'm not worshipping it as God. Your legalism is showing.

Your idol is your own false "teaching", and that is what you serve every day of the week. That is worse than anything I've seen Catholics doing.

Unbelievable. So then it is okay not to bow to objects?!!! It is okay and it is all because of Paul? It is okay to not obey what God says in the old testament because Paul was given instruction to change all that God has said! Listen to yourself.

I will prove to you easily that bowing to objects is still wrong.


1 John 5:21 Dear children, keep yourself from idols.

1 Thessalonians 1:9 for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God.

 

[glorydaz]

Paul is speaking about faith and no works of the law. BECAUSE it took works of the law to make one righteous before God now it only takes faith in Jesus' blood cleaning us of the sins we repent of doing.

Nope. Wrong again. If you keep this up, you might win a prize.

Again speaking of Abraham. Works of the law never made one righteous before God. They were merely a temporary covering, like a rug over a grape stain.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.​

All carnal....all of the flesh. Nothing more than temporary coverings.

Heb. 9:9-10 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.​

 

[God's Truth]

Where does God say that? I'll tell you where....in the Law.

I could bow before a bag of potato chips, but I'm not worshipping it as God. Your legalism is showing.

The Riot in Ephesus

23About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way. 24A silversmith named Demetrius, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought in a lot of business for the craftsmen there. 25He called them together, along with the workers in related trades, and said: “You know, my friends, that we receive a good income from this business. 26And you see and hear how this fellow Paul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that gods made by human hands are no gods at all. 27There is danger not only that our trade will lose its good name, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will be discredited; and the goddess herself, who is worshiped throughout the province of Asia and the world, will be robbed of her divine majesty.”


Explain to me why that silversmith didn't just start making statues of Paul's God?

 

[God's Truth]

Nope. Wrong again. If you keep this up, you might win a prize.

Again speaking of Abraham. Works of the law never made one righteous before God. They were merely a temporary covering, like a rug over a grape stain.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.​

All carnal....all of the flesh. Nothing more than temporary coverings.

Heb. 9:9-10 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.​

The people still had to OBEY GOD and do the ceremonial works. They would have been WITHOUT God in the world if they did not do what He said.

The ceremonial works are the works they had to do. I can hardly believe that you make it as if they didn't have to. Don't you know about the tent and the temples?

 

[God's Truth]

And my point is that what you say is polytheistic in its very root and source. Please check.

Not to mention an oxymoron.

Right on.

 

[God's Truth]

I am well aware that St. Paul preaches effectual faith though man would have us think the dead sort was spoken of and expounded upon.

Funny thing, context; more often than not, it spans actual chapters, showing the numeric divisions and even divisions of the chapters to be additions and needlessly divisive and too distractng from the actual content of the subject matter.

Oh beautiful. That is worded to be remembered.

 

[glorydaz]

Unbelievable. So then it is okay not to bow to objects?!!! It is okay and it is all because of Paul? It is okay to not obey what God says in the old testament because Paul was given instruction to change all that God has said! Listen to yourself.

By golly, she caught a small glimmer of the Gospel of Grace.

I will prove to you easily that bowing to objects is still wrong.


1 John 5:21 Dear children, keep yourself from idols.

1 Thessalonians 1:9 for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God.

Where is the bowing down to statues here? Covetousness is idolatry....wanting to be right all the time...wanting to be a great teacher when you aren't. You want to see idolatry? Look at the pedestal upon which you have placed YOURSELF.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:​

Clearly, you do not have this knowledge, but believers have liberty because we know there is no other God.

1 Cor. 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Cor. 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.


1 Cor. 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.​

Keep your yoke of bondage to yourself God's UNtruth. We are on this side of the Cross now.

 

[glorydaz]

The people still had to OBEY GOD and do the ceremonial works. They would have been WITHOUT God in the world if they did not do what He said.

The ceremonial works are the works they had to do. I can hardly believe that you make it as if they didn't have to. Don't you know about the tent and the temples?

Of course they had to....because they DIDN'T OBEY GOD. That's why they had to.

 

[God's Truth]

By golly, she caught a small glimmer of the Gospel of Grace.



Where is the bowing down to statues here? Covetousness is idolatry....wanting to be right all the time...wanting to be a great teacher when you aren't. You want to see idolatry? Look at the pedestal upon which you have placed YOURSELF.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:​

Clearly, you do not have this knowledge, but believers have liberty because we know there is no other God.

1 Cor. 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Cor. 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.


1 Cor. 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.​

Keep your yoke of bondage to yourself God's UNtruth. We are on this side of the Cross now.

No, Paul did not do away with God's words.

We are not to bow down to objects.

Statues are idols and you should fear making Paul a deleter of God's words.

 

[glorydaz]

The Riot in Ephesus

23About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way. 24A silversmith named Demetrius, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought in a lot of business for the craftsmen there. 25He called them together, along with the workers in related trades, and said: “You know, my friends, that we receive a good income from this business. 26And you see and hear how this fellow Paul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that gods made by human hands are no gods at all. 27There is danger not only that our trade will lose its good name, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will be discredited; and the goddess herself, who is worshiped throughout the province of Asia and the world, will be robbed of her divine majesty.”


Explain to me why that silversmith didn't just start making statues of Paul's God?

Leave it to a heathen to quote a heathen. :thumb: