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Silly thoughts? That's the thoughts of the scripture Keypurr.

John 15:13 KJV
(13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:16 KJV
(16) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

If God had to find someone else to lay down his life, instead of doing it himself, then evidently this someone else loved us more than God.


You miss the union between Jesus and His Father in the experience of His death.

You just do not know.

LA
 

glorydaz

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Your partly right, Christ is like a God to us, but he tells us quite clearly that only his Father is the true God. He taught us to pray to his God. Christ, spirit son, logos, was given the fullness of God, and God created all through him. Folks get shook up though when they see that Christ is a creature and not God.

He isn't a creature. :doh: He is the CREATOR.

This is what your cult background has brought you to ....isolated on a desolate sea of strange delusions. Wading through a swamp of spirit images...lost and adrift in the Sargasso Sea.

You're shipwrecked, Keypurr, and just don't know it.
 

Lazy afternoon

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He isn't a creature. :doh: He is the CREATOR.

This is what your cult background has brought you to ....isolated on a desolate sea of strange delusions. Wading through a swamp of spirit images...lost and adrift in the Sargasso Sea.

You're shipwrecked, Keypurr, and just don't know it.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

LA
 

Clete

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You can believe in Santa and his flying reindeer if you wish, I must have reasonable proof to support my faith. Sunday in scripture, the the day of the Sun God mentioned in the OT. To not hold the seventh say Sabbath is to break his commandments. Like making another God, to break his law is to sin. I bet that is news to you. You trust in a church that over the years has distorted the teaching of our master.

Babylon is falling my friend, get out while you can.

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I know all about the Sabbath and I know that I have been crucified - legally executed - in Christ and that, therefore, the law has nothing more to say to me.

I also know that this has exactly nothing to do with the Trinity doctrine and that I am, therefore, not interested in discussing it here.

Resting in Him,
Clete
 

Clete

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John 13:34-35 KJV
(34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Quite so!

I love those who say things that give me good reason to doubt their salvation enough to treat them as though they are not saved.

Nice and love are not synonyms.
 

God's Truth

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Keypurr is a righteous man.

You would rather condemn a person on a point of doctrine like any common Pharisee.

You people are sick and do not know it.

LA

You prove to be a hypocrite. You condemn me as not knowing Jesus and not being saved because I say Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son. As Jesus says, you will be judged by the way you judge others. That makes you exactly what you said to glorydaz. You are like any common Pharisee and you are sick and don't know it.
 

keypurr

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1. You believe that God prohibits the worship of himself on one (or more) days of the week?
2. You believe that Gentiles are commanded to enter into the Old Covenant that was only offered to Israel?

I believe to love God is to do his will from the heart. His commandment should be kept in the of their content. The law will never pass away and if kept only because of you love for him its not a burden. God set aside a special day who are we to change it.


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God's Truth

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I believe to love God is to do his will from the heart. His commandment should be kept in the of their content. The law will never pass away and if kept only because of you love for him its not a burden. God set aside a special day who are we to change it.


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Keypurr, there is no way anyone can keep the old law because the temple is gone, and the Levitical priesthood is no longer possible. There must be a temple and a priest and animal sacrifices to obey the law as given from God to Moses. No one has that ability anymore, except through Jesus. Jesus is the High Priest. We are the temple, Jesus is the temple, and Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb.
The only way for anyone to obey the old law is to obey Jesus Christ.
 

God's Truth

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1. You believe that God prohibits the worship of himself on one (or more) days of the week?
2. You believe that Gentiles are commanded to enter into the Old Covenant that was only offered to Israel?

Anyone could have converted and entered the Covenant.

Anyone could become a Jew.

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

Acts 2:11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

Acts 6:5 This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.

Acts 13:43 When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.

Esther 8:17 In every province and in every city to which the edict of the king came, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.
 

keypurr

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Sorry Keypurr, you don't get to turn that around. It says the Son of God created all things, that means he is not a "creature." The "firstborn of all creation" is a phrase that the Jews used to designate the CREATOR of Creation.

But this also applies in a second way. He is also the "firstborn" of all creation, because he is their Lamb. That firstborn Lamb that is sacrificed for their sins, the Passover. Everyone needed a firstborn to be sacrificed for them, if you remember the history. Every household had its own lamb, and only of those Jews.

So in this way, Jesus is the firstborn of ALL creation. Not just the Jew, but also the Gentile.

(By the way, if you read the gospels you'd noticed that Jesus exercised all power far before he said that all power was given to him. He gets that perogative, being God and all...)

Creation came from the Father through the Son. Even though the Son is a creature he was given the fullness of his God. Jesus is not firstborn of all creation, the logos or spirit son is. Christ is a spirit being, the express image, first of all creation for all were created through it.

Scripture is not always talking about Jesus the man when it uses the term Son. There was a son in heaven before there was a world for Jesus to be born in. That spirit son was sent from above to dwell in the body prepRed for it. Heb 10:5. It spoke through Jesus the flesh son of God.


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keypurr

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Just because someone is old does not make their stupid nor stubborn. And eighty-one is hardly old considering we were originally built on the thousand year plan - it's our flesh that ages faster from this fallen world, not necessarily our minds. If Keypurr is stubborn it is because he is Keyprr, not because he has lived eighty-one years.

He also has a very high IQ so he can reason with theology deeper than most.


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keypurr

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Silly thoughts? That's the thoughts of the scripture Keypurr.

John 15:13 KJV
(13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:16 KJV
(16) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

If God had to find someone else to lay down his life, instead of doing it himself, then evidently this someone else loved us more than God.

A man laid down is life for us, not God.


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God's Truth

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I believe to love God is to do his will from the heart. His commandment should be kept in the of their content. The law will never pass away and if kept only because of you love for him its not a burden. God set aside a special day who are we to change it.


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All special days are about Jesus.

Jesus is the Special Day.

All special days were about Jesus Christ.

We are to worship Jesus all day every day.

Observing special days is now worthless.
 

God's Truth

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Creation came from the Father through the Son. Even though the Son is a creature he was given the fullness of his God. Jesus is not firstborn of all creation, the logos or spirit son is. Christ is a spirit being, the express image, first of all creation for all were created through it.

Scripture is not always talking about Jesus the man when it uses the term Son. There was a son in heaven before there was a world for Jesus to be born in. That spirit son was sent from above to dwell in the body prepRed for it. Heb 10:5. It spoke through Jesus the flesh son of God.


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All human are flesh and spirit.

Jesus' Spirit is that Spirit of God.
 

God's Truth

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He isn't a creature. :doh: He is the CREATOR.

This is what your cult background has brought you to ....isolated on a desolate sea of strange delusions. Wading through a swamp of spirit images...lost and adrift in the Sargasso Sea.

You're shipwrecked, Keypurr, and just don't know it.

...but Jesus' body is created.
 

God's Truth

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Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

LA

Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh. Jesus' flesh was created by the Father. As for Jesus' Spirit, it IS the Spirit of God the Father.
 

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Two, God who sent the Son and the Son himself.
I say this because the Son did not come of his own accord, he was sent.
Example:
The General told the Major to save the world, the Major did.

In reality, it was the sinless man called Jesus that was the Lamb of God. He was the perfect sacrifice for mankind.

In your posted verse you did notice the words "God the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ" , what does that tell you?
We all enjoy a silly story from time to time... thanks for yours.

Isa 43:11 (AKJV/PCE)
(43:11) I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

Luke 1:47 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:47) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

1Tim 2:3 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:3) For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Titus 1:3 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:3) But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Titus 2:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:10) Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.




There is ONLY ONE savior and it is GOD!
 
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