The Trinity

[Bright Raven]

With God all things are possible. If God is perfect then all three entities of the Trinity are perfect.

 

[popsthebuilder]

With God all things are possible. If God is perfect then all three entities of the Trinity are perfect.

Entities? Is that to keep from saying all three persons? What do you mean by entities. What word represents entities in scripture.

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[marhig]

I can see you also are one of the ones that reject the blood that save. Would you have put blood over the doorposts as God ordained in the OT so that God could save you. Their faith that the blood over the doorposts was going to save them is what saved them.

And when God saw the BLOOD, He passed over the house and they were saved. They did not do anything to be saved. They believed that the BLOOD was the only protection of salvation. It is the same today.

And those born of God should have the blood of Christ on their doorposts today. Can you hear that?

 

[marhig]

Not confused at all. You simply saw the word 'Muslim' and instinctively you recoiled. marhig did the same. And now you feign friendly advice.

Listen stop making out that I'm against Muslims, I'm not against Muslims in any way whatsoever and I didn't recoil at anyrhing. You are a dangerous person!

 

[lifeisgood]

Not so. I personally interact with Muslim on a nearly daily basis

Awesome.

So, next time they tell you that Jesus is not God, you can send them to http://answering-islam.org/. Maybe they'll find out the truth and come to the knowledge of the glorious gospel of Christ who shed His blood for the salvation of anyone who call upon His name.

 

[lifeisgood]

Would you have preferred I be so haughty and proud as to say I would succeed in pleasing GOD when so very many seem to have failed?

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If you do not know that you are or are not pleasing God, you have a problem.
The Holy Spirit will ALWAYS nudge one when He is not pleased with us.

 

[lifeisgood]

It seems to me that Elohim would mean the LORD of Hosts, and the plural sense is applicable because he represents Himself and the host of heaven. The clarification is made in that statement above, that in truth the one named Jehovah is really a singular entity, not a plurality. That's a statement of Oneness and Unity, not a statement of plurality.

If that is the way you want to understand it. That's your choice.

 

[lifeisgood]

No. I know what it is to be saved and have been observing the conversation for some time. I am not confused and again implore you to substantiate your claims that the work of Jesus the Christ of GOD is not intended as a guidance and example for the believer. It has nothing to do with gt.

The above is your comprehension of what I said. I did not say what you concluded.

 

[lifeisgood]

You said it wasn't forvthose seeking salvation

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I said no such thing.

BTW you cannot seek salvation. God seek us to save us. We, when He finds us, are going in our merry way straight to hell.

What a awesome, glorious, unfathomable God I serve that He came down to me for He knew that I, me, and myself, could never, ever go up to Him.

 

[lifeisgood]

Just as those who believe are to act a certain way by heeding the teachings, example, and commands of the Christ of GOD.

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Have you also sold everything you have? That's Jesus' command. Maybe your response is that that commandment is not for you either like gt says all the time and then demand vociferously that the UNbeliever has to obey all Jesus' commands exactly like she does. :nono:

 

[lifeisgood]

I never said I was responsible for my reception of faith. That is just how it happened.

There it is again folks, I, popsthebuilder, produced my own reception of faith. 'Cause that's just how it happened.

 

[lifeisgood]

You are being willfully ignorant it seems.
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So, you disagree that taking a verse out of its original context is parroting a pretext. Got it.

 

[lifeisgood]

So you understand faith to be effectual in the believers life, bringing about works pleasing, and glorifying GOD?

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The UNbeliever cannot produce any work pleasing to God. That is the premise of gt's belief that the UNbeliever can produce good works pleasing to God FOR SALVATION.

 

[Truster]

So, you disagree that taking a verse out of its original context is parroting a pretext. Got it.

popsthedestroyer of grace, trust and salvation....as if he could be.

His understanding stops at the word "I", but it seems you already know that.

 

[NWL]

No, no one has to consider answering what you say has to be answered first.

Tell me how an angel's spirit can be in the thousands and thousands that are saved.

Only the Spirit of God can do that.

Tell me how God the Father and Jesus Christ live inside the saved when we are only given one Spirit.

As I already stated your question is based on a false premise, where does it state on the spirit of God is possible of saving mankind but a perfect spirit person other than God cannot? This is your false premise.

By answering your question I would be agreeing with the premise that one of Gods created spirits is unable to redeem mankind. No teaching like that exist in the bible, its your assumption that only the person of God is able to redeem mankind.

Its like me asking a person who is innocent "do you think you're a bad person for murdering person A", by answering the question how I phrased it, with the only possible direct answers being yes or no, one cannot answer without admitting guilt even though he is innocent, this is a loaded question. I cannot answer your question since its based on a false premise. Either rephrase it or answer the question I asked, namely, where does it state in the Bible that only the person of God could redeem mankind?

 

[lifeisgood]

And those born of God should have the blood of Christ on their doorposts today. Can you hear that?

You would have rejected His blood, then as you do today. Therefore, you would have allowed death to come in.

Today, you, marhig, have not permitted Him to place His blood on the doorposts of your heart, because you yourself said, that you do not believe in the blood of the Cross of Calvary.

 

[lifeisgood]

Listen stop making out that I'm against Muslims, I'm not against Muslims in any way whatsoever and I didn't recoil at anyrhing. You are a dangerous person!

Another one with the comprehension problem thingy. I did not say you are against Muslims, I said, you simply saw the word 'Muslim' in a URL and you recoiled saying, (paraphrasing now) 'oh, no, not going there.' The truth hurt, marhig. The truth hurt.

 

[NWL]

That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son [just as they honor the Father] does not honor the Father, who sent him.

As I said, YOU, NWL, do not want to really know.
You feign desire to know, but you really, honesty, do not want to know.

You might even learn something about what you believe. http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/jesus_not_michael.html

As I mentioned previously I do want to know the truth of the bible, if the bible teaches the trinity, then I want to learn about it, hence the reason I asked for you to provide me a single scripture that demonstrates the trinity. You couldn't, all you can do I post other peoples work because you're incapable of expressing your apparent false beliefs with scripture.

I don't know why you cited the scripture above, it certainly doesn't prove anything other than honouring a representative of God is like honouring God, there are various examples in the bible that when men rejected Gods representatives it equated with rejecting the Father, Jesus as the Fathers representative is no different.

 

[Veritas veritate]

What you said doesn't make any sense to me.

In order for God to exist he must be perfect, that is, infinite, exhaustively complete and therefore lacking nothing. God therefore encompasses everything. This means that there can never be two perfect beings: because, in order for more than one being to exist, there must be something that differentiates one from the other. Therefore, if one believes that Jesus is perfect, either he is God, or Jesus being perfect is a false belief.

Here is an illustration... Lets say you have 1 apple, 1 orange, and 1 pear and this is everything that you have. Now lets say you go buy 1 apple, 1 orange, and 1 pear. Now, do you have two everythings? No, "everything" is all inclusive; therefore, everything is now 2 apples, 2 oranges, and 2 pears. There are multiple items that can exist within everything, but there can only ever be one everything, because everything encompasses all. If God is perfect, he encompasses everything. Therefore if someone believes that Jesus is perfect, he is believed to be either God or the belief that Jesus is perfect is incorrect in accordance with the perfection of God.

 

[marhig]

You would have rejected His blood, then as you do today. Therefore, you would have allowed death to come in.

Today, you, marhig, have not permitted Him to place His blood on the doorposts of your heart, because you yourself said, that you do not believe in the blood of the Cross of Calvary.

I can see that have no idea what that means!